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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Reasonable people can see the difference between a deliberate human act and a natural occurrence. It's that simple really.
    But naturally we can have sex at any time; it is not tied to procreation. Nature has decided our sex activity is not tied to procreation. So what's not natural about whatever activity people do?

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Reasonable people can see the difference between a deliberate human act and a natural occurrence. It's that simple really.
    What is that difference? And is there something that makes them 'morally' different?

    It's called the "No True Scotsman's" Fallacy.

    Obviously, if you don't agree that sex is for procreation only - then you don't fall into the "reasonable" person category.


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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Not sure what the problem is here. Sex is not exclusively for procreation but that does not eliminate obligations connected to consensually engaging in that sex (irrelevant of the intent of the sex by either party).

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    What is that difference? And is there something that makes them 'morally' different?
    The moral difference is that one is willed by a moral agent and the other is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Nature has decided our sex activity is not tied to procreation.
    Uh huh.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    So you deny that the sexual faculty is oriented towards procreation?
    I deny that this is universally the case. Or would you suggest making it illegal for a woman past menopause to have sex with her husband of fifty years?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    For any undecided people reading this, note:

    I have made rational arguments, showing why sodomy is wrong.

    And those arguing against me have called me a "complete raging hypocrite", a "depraved busybody", and "doomed".

    You can see which position is supported by reason, and which one is backwards illogical thinking.
    Tone fallacy.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    The moral difference is that one is willed by a moral agent and the other is not.



    Uh huh.
    You claim to speak from a position of logic, so what logical basis makes your arbitrary moral standard superior to mine? I think recreational sex is an integral part to a healthy, loving relationship and therefore to stable, loving families. Prove me wrong. Logically.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Gay marriage is not a "right" yet.
    The right being protected is marriage not gay marriage. The right of a man to marry a man is the same as the right of a man to marry a woman. The issue is whether or not restricting that right to opposite sex couples is constitutionally justified. The courts have consistently been holding no, as exemplified by this case.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    The right being protected is marriage not gay marriage. The right of a man to marry a man is the same as the right of a man to marry a woman. The issue is whether or not restricting that right to opposite sex couples is constitutionally justified. The courts have consistently been holding no, as exemplified by this case.
    Not yet it isn't. The supreme court in the latest two gay marriage cases refused to address the constitutionality of states not allowing state recognition of gay marriage.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I deny that this is universally the case. Or would you suggest making it illegal for a woman past menopause to have sex with her husband of fifty years?
    Is it ordered by nature to procreation?

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