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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    If by equivalent you mean compatible, i don't think it's obvious. I think the biblical jesus never mentioned the subject, was supposedly a virgin, and had 12 dudes follow him around everywhere. Draw from that what you will. And man, you realize sodomy refers to oral sex too? You want to lock up like 98% of the country? You may as well say sodomy isn't inherent in gay marriage either.



    You're right. It's that plus arguing for the gestapo to barge into bedrooms in the middle of sex act and drag someone away in handcuffs. What would be your proposed punishment, send them off to concentration camp? You really should learn this concept called "live and let live."
    That's ridiculous. Yes, I realize that. I've never called for retroactive application of the law, and even so I think that's exaggerated. Except that it is.

    I've never mentioned anything about a Gestapo, private acts do not from the law exempt. Imprisonment and fines, as with other crimes.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    That's ridiculous. Yes, I realize that. I've never called for retroactive application of the law, and even so I think that's exaggerated. Except that it is.

    I've never mentioned anything about a Gestapo, private acts do not from the law exempt. Imprisonment and fines, as with other crimes.
    Any arrest where there's no victim is gestapo tactics far as i'm concerned, and considering your motive, a theocracy. But hey, as long as you don't mind if i send armed officers into your bedroom to haul you away when you're on the verge of climax...

    Unless you pop out a kid every 9 months, i suspect you're not following your own principles. From your precious bible, nonprocreative sex is all the same so.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Any arrest where there's no victim is gestapo tactics far as i'm concerned, and considering your motive, a theocracy. But hey, as long as you don't mind if i send armed officers into your bedroom to haul you away when you're on the verge of climax...

    Unless you pop out a kid every 9 months, i suspect you're not following your own principles. From your precious bible, nonprocreative sex is all the same so.
    Then you show only that you lack an understanding of what the Gestapo was, and of what the word "theocracy" means. For what exactly...

    Not every natural sex act will lead to conception, even you know that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Then you show only that you lack an understanding of what the Gestapo was, and of what the word "theocracy" means. For what exactly...

    Not every natural sex act will lead to conception, even you know that.
    You want to enshrine your religion in law and impose your beliefs on others. Sounds like theocracy.

    Sodomy occurs in nature, so you might want to look up "natural." And no, but if you are "fruitful and multiply," she better get pregnant every 9-10 months on average. If not, you should be arrested. And no sex outside that brief window, or masturbating.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    You want to enshrine your religion in law and impose your beliefs on others. Sounds like theocracy.

    Sodomy occurs in nature, so you might want to look up "natural." And no, but if you are "fruitful and multiply," she better get pregnant every 9-10 months on average. If not, you should be arrested. And no sex outside that brief window, or masturbating.
    Theocracy means rule by clerics. I am not proposing that.

    By natural I mean "in accordance with human nature". That sometimes just doesn't happen. No, there is no reason to arrest in such a case. Which window at you referring to. I don't think that unnatural acts involving only one person should be criminalized.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Theocracy means rule by clerics. I am not proposing that.

    By natural I mean "in accordance with human nature". That sometimes just doesn't happen. No, there is no reason to arrest in such a case. Which window at you referring to. I don't think that unnatural acts involving only one person should be criminalized.
    Well then you're arbitrarily applying your belief system, which isn't surprising, since your belief system is arbitrary.

    The window between when she delivers a baby and should expect to become pregnant again, if you're following the biblical mandate to multiply like jack rabbits. You could even get your own reality show once you reach kid #15

    Also, sodomy is natural for humans as well.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Well then you're arbitrarily applying your belief system, which isn't surprising, since your belief system is arbitrary.

    The window between when she delivers a baby and should expect to become pregnant again, if you're following the biblical mandate to multiply like jack rabbits. You could even get your own reality show once you reach kid #15

    Also, sodomy is natural for humans as well.
    No it isn't. My beliefs are backed up by nearly two thousand years of sound philosophy. Whereas yours are backed up by little more than baseless assertions by modern "philosophers".

    There is nothing wrong with natural infertility. I think you're problem is that you're extrapolating from Catholic teaching in the absurd manner that materialist philosophers extrapolate philosophical conclusions, and not according to sound scholastic methods that are fundemental to Catholic philosophy. Obviously if you attempt to use one philosophical method on a philosophical system that is at odds with it, then you will reach absurd conclusions.

    Sodomy is contrary to human nature, as it separates an element of human nature from its natural end.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    No it isn't. My beliefs are backed up by nearly two thousand years of sound philosophy. Whereas yours are backed up by little more than baseless assertions by modern "philosophers".

    There is nothing wrong with natural infertility. I think you're problem is that you're extrapolating from Catholic teaching in the absurd manner that materialist philosophers extrapolate philosophical conclusions, and not according to sound scholastic methods that are fundemental to Catholic philosophy. Obviously if you attempt to use one philosophical method on a philosophical system that is at odds with it, then you will reach absurd conclusions.

    Sodomy is contrary to human nature, as it separates an element of human nature from its natural end.
    I didn't mention infertility. I said that to *choose* to not reproduce, even temporarily, is as sinful according to bible literalism as taking it up the ass. Both have the same outcome: no kids. You and the ignorant sheep herder who wrote leviticus, and that self-hating flamer Paul, simply find sodomy icky, so you want to criminalize it. That's all your beliefs are backed up by, *your* interpretation of 6 verses written by goat lovers from the bronze age.

    I don't need "philosophers" to conclude that consensual sex is totally harmless and that only a depraved busybody cares what others do in their bedroom.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I didn't mention infertility. I said that to *choose* to not reproduce, even temporarily, is as sinful according to bible literalism as taking it up the ass. Both have the same outcome: no kids. You and the ignorant sheep herder who wrote leviticus, and that self-hating flamer Paul, simply find sodomy icky, so you want to criminalize it. That's all your beliefs are backed up by, *your* interpretation of 6 verses written by goat lovers from the bronze age.

    I don't need "philosophers" to conclude that consensual sex is totally harmless and that only a depraved busybody cares what others do in their bedroom.
    Not having sex doesn't separate procreation from sex, and as such is not to be summarily condemned. And I'm not a biblical literalist, I oppose all of the modern philosophies which insist on refusing to consider matters through rational thinking. I won't attempt to refute your ad hominems, since they are fallacious and need not be refuted, but my views are based on sound reasoning, and can be supported without an appeal to divine revelation.

    And I'm supposedly ignorant and anti-intellectual.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Not having sex doesn't separate procreation from sex, and as such is not to be summarily condemned. And I'm not a biblical literalist, I oppose all of the modern philosophies which insist on refusing to consider matters through rational thinking. I won't attempt to refute your ad hominems, since they are fallacious and need not be refuted, but my views are based on sound reasoning, and can be supported without an appeal to divine revelation.

    And I'm supposedly ignorant and anti-intellectual.
    Haha right, now all sudden you want to claim that you're obsessed with others' sexual activity independent of any scripture. Please tell what "2000 years of philosophy" that doesn't depend on revelation condemns blowjobs. Since it's possible to orgasm hundreds of times during that month-long window, and only once will lead to pregnancy, and it's even possible to have nonprocreative sex during pregnancy, your "separates procreation from sex" is as arbitrary as it gets. It makes no difference! One pregnancy either way. Your argument is like flashback to Hippocrates-era belief that we have limited "seed" and to waste it means she can't get pregnant.

    So your real issue is with gays, and being gay, they won't reproduce either way. Your proposed draconic law would have 0 effect on that. Again, that's totally arbitrary and capricious. Russia is ----> (that way)

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