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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Let me know when they are designated as protected classes in any states or by the feds.
    I see. Under your "dreamy" version of the constitution, only those special citizens, designated as members of protected classes, get court ordered law changes, the rest must rely on legislative changes made the old fashioned way. Perhaps you can show us that protected classes clause of the 14th amendment.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    they don't sell booze on Sunday where you live? bummer. You can work to change that. But sadly, booze drinkers/buyers are not a protected class.
    Where do you get these "protected classes" of citizens? Can you share a source for this? I always thought that all were due equal protection of the law and due process.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Luckily for all of us, the constitution doesn't allow you to do that.
    It did until 2003.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Private acts that do not infringe on anyone else's rights.
    What about ephebophilia?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i only to make one address, becuase i not going to answer 10 times.

    the whole idea of the thread was that people used a referendum to ban gay marriage, ...they exercised direct democracy ....and in doing it, which our founders hated, that action was illegal becuase it violated people rights, becuase democracy is ALWAYS at war with individual liberty.

    but some of you people do not all understand [freedom], you believe it is everyone agreeing with you and your ideas, and when the dont, they are a racist.. bigot,... hateful.. mean and whatever you can think of.

    freedom means disagreement, , if we as a people all agreed on everything we did, we would need freedom at all, but because we are not all cut from the same piece of cloth, we are going to disagree.

    most of the problems of the world are caused by FORCE, the force of government stopping people from engaging in something, or forcing people to do something, even though the individual has committed no crime, or has not put the health and safety of people at risk.

    you people need to understand what freedom is, it is not a tool for you to bully other people into thinking as you do, or forcing them to act according to you wishes, as many of you think.

    its no wonderful the liberty of the american people is fading, becuase of people with your kind of thoughts.
    If you really think that the founders would have supported gay marriage, then you're beyond reason (not that the founders were necessarily right about everything).

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    There's been very little natural limitations on human behavior since pre-biblical times. That said, almost all mammals have been shown in nature to partake of sexual acts that have nothing to do with reproduction but instead only address the natural state of being horny.
    Human nature is superior to animal nature, which is why humans are rightfully held to higher standards (do we hunt down wild bears who kill people in the same manner that we hunt down people who kill people?)

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Sucks to be you. You only have sex when you want to procreate? poor person.

    Does that mean people who are infertile shouldn't be allowed to get married? What about people over the age of fertility? Should they be blocked from getting married? What about those of us who choose not to have kids? Doomed to never have sex?

    And yes, I say "doomed" - sex is fun.

    In terms of "natural" ... my male (neutered) dog not only humps his (spayed) sister - sometimes from the side, sometimes in a more accurate area - he also humps our cats.

    "Natural" is an over-used term to define what people want to allow re sex and not allow.
    That's not what I said. I said that procreation is the primary purpose of sex, not the only one.

    Being infertile is not the same as being by nature incapable of conceiving. I don't believe that artificial contraception is right.

    Such a viewpoint is rather sad really, sex isn't the end-all-be-all of life.

    As I said before, human nature is superior to animal nature, thus humans are rightfully held to higher standards.

    Natural is a well-grounded philosophical term.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post



    A) Voting cannot take away someone's constitutional rights. Period. You could not vote to take away women's right to vote, no matter how much you might want to.

    B) If we were forcing you to marry a same sex partner, you might have a case. How does two women getting married force YOU to do anything?

    C) how does expanding freedom limit the liberty of the American people?

    a) you really did not think very much , by what you said.

    the ban was put in place by a vote, if the judge had ruled the other way, rights would HAVE been violated........so dont say rights cannot be taken away by vote.....that is actually what democracy does....which is why the founders hated it.

    b) what the left is trying to do, if promote the idea to children that homosexuality is OK, its socially acceptable........the problem is others in our society to not accept that, they they do not want their kids to be told it is..............the left's answer is to home school or private school, well who said the left owns the school system, and has the only control over it.

    c) becuase people believe more and more all the time that they cannot be offended, that some how its a right...and its not....that people must labor for them through services, and discrimination is a rights violation, and its not.

    no person in the u.s. can by constitutional law, be made[forced] to serve another person......its unconstitutional.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    "Sorry people, you can't get married but we won't let you visit your long-term partner in the hospital because you aren't married". Talk about Catch-22!

    I'm pretty sure unmarried heterosexual couples can visit their partners.
    You might try actually reading the thread and the post I was responding to, might help if you understood what was being discussed.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    If you really think that the founders would have supported gay marriage, then you're beyond reason (not that the founders were necessarily right about everything).
    would the founders have killed you imprisoned you for being gay..... no.

    the problem on the issue of being gay is .....when people try to force their ideas, and their way of life on other people.

    freedom means people have the right to reject how other people lives their life's

    however we live in a time, where others do not want that rejection, and are bound and determined to use the force of law, to make others accept them..

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    would the founders have killed you imprisoned you for being gay..... no.

    the problem on the issue of being gay is .....when people try to force their ideas, and their way of life on other people.

    freedom means people have the right to reject how other people lives their life's

    however we live in a time, where others do not want that rejection, and are bound and determined to use the force of law, to make others accept them..
    I see the point you're trying to make but yes, the founders would have most certainly jailed you for being openly gay.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I see the point you're trying to make but yes, the founders would have most certainly jailed you for being openly gay.
    and how do you draw that conclusion?

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    and how do you draw that conclusion?
    History.

    Sodomy, the longtime historical term for same-sex relations, was a capital crime under British common law. Sir William Blackstone, British attorney, jurist, law professor, and political philosopher, authored his monumental Commentaries on the Laws of England from 1765-1769. These commentaries became the premiere legal source admired and used by America’s Founding Fathers. In Book the Fourth, Chapter the Fifteenth, “Of Offences Against the Persons of Individuals,” Blackstone stated:

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    History.

    are you talking from a personal point of view in there life's or thru government?

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