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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And many parents don't consider evolution to be true

    Sucks to be them or their child
    Meh, false equivilence, Got anything significant to add?

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Because the supreme court in the recent gay marriage cases made no argument that they are. And also majority force rule.
    It did? The decision said they were not entitled to those things?

    And I dont understand your last, incomplete sentence.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And another right winger throws "small govt" under the bus
    Republicans are most certainly left-wing so I am not sure what you are attempting to say.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It did? The decision said they were not entitled to those things?

    And I dont understand your last, incomplete sentence.
    They did no specify that gay marriage is some sort of right that states have to recognize, no.

    It was another response to your question. Try and keep up.
    Last edited by scatt; 12-24-13 at 03:33 PM. Reason: Adding another response.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yes, they can. They just cannot discriminate against protected classes. We offer benefits for state workers that we do not offer to all, we offer the priviledge of driving to some and restrict who gets to drive, and on and on.
    Agreed. And there are several states in which sexual orientation is a protected class.

    They are not yet, at the federal level, but it's probably coming.

    OTOH, as has been posted here, this is also gender-based discrimination when it comes to the legal protections. For example, when a woman is dying and the hospital will not let her lesbian partner in to be with her, that has been determined to be gender-based discrimination. As have been some adoption laws.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Then please explain the need for the 15th and 19th amendments. While you are at it, please explain the need for the 18th (and thus the 21st) amendment since it took no such constitutional action to outlaw hundreds of other recreational drugs nationwide. The nonsense logic that "this is much like that", so therefore "that covers this too" is a very recent trick used by the SCOTUS. It is obvious to all that the 2A right differs greatly among the several states, yet no federal judge has seen fit to "fix" that unequal protection of the law.
    Sorry, way too much work. If you want answers, please specify the references for each amendment.

    And I never said it was all 'correct.' Prohibition wasnt right and IMO neither is criminalizing recreational drugs.

    I am stating what I believe AND what some state SCOTUS decisions have been based on: discrimination. (Gun owners are not a protected class, I'm sure you know that. Gays are in some states and gender is federally)
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    And you don't seem to get it. No state is saying gays can not get married. Anyone can marry someone of the opposite sex. You gay marriage people like to gloss over that part. So they are NOT discriminating, it is the same for all. You want marriage changed.
    That's also been covered previously in this discussion. You just keep ignoring it. Sorry, I'm not reposting what other people have written.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Perhaps the same reason that beer/alcohol sales are restricted upon the Christian sabbath - tradition of the majority. Surly a constitutional "right" present since 1868 could not have gone unnoticed for such a long time and in nearly every state.
    What group of Americans is being discriminated against there?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    So you intend on putting the government in the bedrooms of every American? Not very conservative, small government minded, are you?
    Private acts do not from the law exempt, and no that doesn't mean setting up a police state, anymore than any other law regulating private behavior means setting up a police state. No, I'm not a neocon.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And another right winger throws "small govt" under the bus
    Should all private acts be legal, in your opinion?

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Yes I'm aware of that. I would have no problem outlawing unnatural sexual practices like that, whether committed by homosexuals or heterosexuals.
    What country do you live in?

    In America, we have a Constitution that supposedly limits the role of government in people's lives.

    Certainly in their bedrooms. I would think you'd approve of sodomy....no unwanted babies produced to be murdered.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    What country do you live in?

    In America, we have a Constitution that supposedly limits the role of government in people's lives.

    Certainly in their bedrooms. I would think you'd approve of sodomy....no unwanted babies produced to be murdered.
    America.

    And a Supreme Court that makes up a bunch of other limitations that were never imagined before.

    Sodomy, contraception, abortion, all powered by the same mindset which separates sex from its natural end (the creation of new life).

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