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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You already admitted that the govt cant discriminate against them by not allowing them to teach. So if you dont want your kids taught by gays, those are your options.
    government cannot discriminate because it serves all of the people, it cannot also violate the right of citizens, and making people of faith, be taught by the public school system against ones faith, its a violate of religious freedom, ..because the government forces people to go to schools.

    the government is not a moral authority to teach anyone values.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You are right...but no one is teaching 'homosexuality.'

    And that's also why you cant teach creationism in science classes. I'm glad at least that is clear, so it's just that you dont like being around gays. Then you have the choice not to be or have your kids in a school with gay teachers....homeschool them or send them to private school.

    Or, teach your children what YOU BELIEVE at home, just like everyone else. How do you think being taught by a gay teacher will harm them? Again, it's not 'taught' and it's not contagious.
    I didn't say they are teaching the act........they are teaching it is sociality acceptable in our society and government has no authority to do that.

    you and the people who believe as you do ,to not own the public school system, to run it according to your dictates.

    people as yourself, hate the idea of force when it is used on you, however love to use it on other people.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The left is constantly trying to brainwash our children. They tried it with my son and now my grand children.........It did not work with any of them.
    Then I guess you have no case at all since the role of parents and grandparents worked properly.

    Of course I do not 'buy' that your grandchildren or children were the victims of brainwashing...but apparently if parents take responsibility as they should, there should be nothing to worry about.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really...then give those people who pay for schools thru their taxes....... their money back then.
    I pay taxes that go to schools and have no kids...what is your point?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I pay taxes that go to schools and have no kids...what is your point?
    that your telling people if they don't like the school leave, well they pay taxes, if the schools are going to teach things that are against one religious faith [a rights violation], ..then give them their money and they can go.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    government cannot discriminate because it serves all of the people, it cannot also violate the right of citizens, and making people of faith, be taught by the public school system against ones faith, its a violate of religious freedom, ..because the government forces people to go to schools.

    the government is not a moral authority to teach anyone values.
    Your faith is not being violated....no one is teaching homosexuality. Your kids are just as likely (if not more) to be exposed to adulterers, people living in sin, etc as they are gays and THOSE things are not being taught either. How are you preventing your kids/grandkids from being turned into adulterers or people who live with others without the sanctity of marriage? Or promiscuous teachers? Are they teaching your kids to sleep around?

    You cannot pick and choose in the public school system. If you dont like it, send your kids somewhere else. No one forces you to use the public school system.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    are you saying the bill of right applies only to states.....

    because under the original idea of the bill of rights, you would be correct..... however after the civil war, the USSC ruled the bill of rights now applies to the states.

    so its not that simple.
    Sure it is. You asked why it is ok for a school to teach values, but not teach religion....simple....the Constitution prohibits the state from being involved in religion. It does not prohibit the state from involvement in teaching values. Perhaps you are one of those who believe that only those who are religious zealots have values....?
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that your telling people if they don't like the school leave, well they pay taxes, if the schools are going to teach things that are against one religious faith [a rights violation], ..then give them their money and they can go.
    Sure, and give me my money back too.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that your telling people if they don't like the school leave, well they pay taxes, if the schools are going to teach things that are against one religious faith [a rights violation], ..then give them their money and they can go.
    If you belong to a church that teaches hatred, bigotry, discrimination ....then your religion is teaching you all the wrong values...certainly not true Christian values.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    I didn't say they are teaching the act........they are teaching it is sociality acceptable in our society and government has no authority to do that.

    you and the people who believe as you do ,to not own the public school system, to run it according to your dictates.

    people as yourself, hate the idea of force when it is used on you, however love to use it on other people.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I find the whole drama over 'teaching homosexuality' in schools to soon become a historical footnote.

    Schools do not 'teach homosexuality.' They teach 'inclusion' so that all in schools have a safe, positive place conducive to learning (supposedly).

    In days past, people also moralized over bastards and divorcees. Those children, and children of divorce, were 'excluded' based on other people's judgments. No one ever *taught* that being a single mother was good or that divorce was good....but condemnation is only harmful.Today, we accept the children of single mothers and divorced homes. What is the point in excluding them? That is only harmful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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