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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    This case NEEDS to go to the Supreme Court and there NEEDS to be a finding, one way or the other, once and for all.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Under that premise the court erred in the Loving decision.

    However the 14th Amendment does grant the power to the federal government to require that no States deny citizens of a State the privileges & immunities, Due Process, and Equal Protections of the laws of that State.


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    The Loving decision is not part of the Constitution. The 14th amendment doesn't address that at all, it is about protecting rights of former slaves. Nothing about marriage or changing the definition of marriage at all.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    The Loving decision is not part of the Constitution. The 14th amendment doesn't address that at all, it is about protecting rights of former slaves. Nothing about marriage or changing the definition of marriage at all.
    LOL....have you read the Loving decision? If you had....you probably would not have written what you just did.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Well...in essence that is exactly what you are saying. There are some bigots in this country that still believe that blacks are inferior to whites. Why should they be forced in a public school to learn about desegration and the civil rights movement...things that they find offensive or "repugnant to their sense of morality"?

    BTW...there is a very big difference between "Freedom of Association" and the right to disassociation. Certainly you have the right to decide who you want to associate with. However, you do not have a right to disassociate by discriminating against people in the workplace just because you find them "icky".
    thinking that a black person is not equal, and trying to exercise that on government property is not a right.....I have a right to exercise it on my own property.

    because when I exercise discrimination,..i am not committing a crime, because I am not violating anyone's rights.....and its not a health or safety issue.


    we have a separation of church and state, which prohibits the government from prevents the government from any activity concerning religion, meaning they cannot promote, or takes actions detractions from religion,...meaning you can make laws or polices which forces people...to do things or accept thing things, teaches things, against their religious beliefs...because the government is compelling them to go to school....if that person is not committing a crime of something which endangers health or safety.


    why is it people say, you cant teach your religion to me....

    but then say I can teach you my moral beliefs against your religious beliefs.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....have you read the Loving decision? If you had....you probably would not have written what you just did.
    "LOL", really? So you think that a court case is somehow written into the Constitution? That's just sad.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    "LOL", really? So you think that a court case is somehow written into the Constitution? That's just sad.
    No. Do you have no understanding of how caselaw works? You might want to educate yourself on the judicial process and then come back to the discussion.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You can dislike them all you want. But the govt...including in a public school system...cant discriminate against them. You stress freedom....and they have THE SAME freedoms you do, or should. How can that be if you decide what marriages and careers they have??

    you are correct the public school is part of government it cannot discriminate against people, that is a rights violation, but its also a rights violation if you force people to do things against their religious beliefs, and remember these people are compelled to go to school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    sp. where there is no cause or harm shown. Gays cannot turn other people gay, it's not contagious, and even if they promoted it (which I would be against), it's pointless because again....you cant turn people gay. ?
    I agree, they are not turning people gay, however they are trying to influence people, to a way of thinking.... the school system is not there to indorse a life of way, and tell people through force who find a certain way of life repugnant...its ok.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    And in Utah....how does gay marriage affect the 'morality' of other Utah marriages? Does it make those marriages immoral? If so, how?
    the Utah vote was a referendum, of people who just don't want gay marriage.....well that does not give them any moral authority to use movement to stop gay marriages.

    and people have no moral authority to have government endorse a way of life.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    .because the government is compelling them to go to school....

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    You can choose a religious school or teach your kids at home, if you want to teach bigotry.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    You can choose a religious school or teach your kids at home, if you want to teach bigotry.
    this is no answer....all your saying is I want things my way.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you are correct the public school is part of government it cannot discriminate against people, that is a rights violation, but its also a rights violation if you force people to do things against their religious beliefs, and remember these people are compelled to go to school.

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    I agree, they are not turning people gay, however they are trying to influence people, to a way of thinking.... the school system is not there to indorse a life of way, and tell people through force who find a certain way of life repugnant...its ok.




    the Utah vote was a referendum, of people who just don't want gay marriage.....well that does not give them any moral authority to use movement to stop gay marriages.

    and people have no moral authority to have government endorse a way of life.
    Why are you against schools teaching about the civil rights movement? Just because it offends the "moral values" of some bigots?
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