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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Gay are not forcing anyone to accept their way of life any more than blacks or women or any other minority for that matter "forces people to accept their way of life". The reality is, Bigots cannot create a world, at least here in the United States, where they are free to practice their bigotry and discrimination outside their front doors. Sorry...but that just part of enjoying the freedoms and opportunities that this great country offers.
    really, the introduction of homosexuality into the public school system is a violation of a person religious freedom, and since people are mandated by law to go to school, it makes it unconstitutional.

    discrimination laws, aimed at private business or individuals is also unconstitutional.

    it is government who cannot discriminate......not individuals or business.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really, the introduction of homosexuality into the public school system is a violation of a person religious freedom, and since people are mandated by law to go to school, it makes it unconstitutional.

    discrimination laws, aimed at private business or individuals is also unconstitutional.

    it is government who cannot discriminate......not individuals or business.
    Are you serious? Homosexuals have been in the public school system for ages. Perhaps you are referring to anti-bigotry teachings? I don't know of any overtly "homosexual" introduction that is occurring in the public school system. Were you also against the desegration of the school system and teaching about the history of slavery and discrimination? After-all...many people are still anti-black.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Are you serious? Homosexuals have been in the public school system for ages. Perhaps you are referring to anti-bigotry teachings? I don't know of any overtly "homosexual" introduction that is occurring in the public school system. Were you also against the desegration of the school system and teaching about the history of slavery and discrimination? After-all...many people are still anti-black.
    our founding principles are ........life liberty and the pursuit of happiness....happiness translates in property.

    twice in the constitution , the 5th and 14th amendments states their will be no violatation of............ life liberty and property.

    when government denies people marriage it is violating.........liberty, becuase government it using its force to stop people from preforming an action.

    when government uses it power to force people to preform an action [who have committed no crime, or a health and safety issue] it is also violating ....liberty.

    if government compels people to go to school and teaches them things which are repugnant to their religious beliefs........that is a violation of .............liberty.

    when government uses it power to force a business to serve another citizen...that is a violation of liberty.....[right of association].....and a violation of right to property.

    people always want to use law to benefit their cause, ...yet they wish to reject the law, when it does not suit their purposes.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    our founding principles are ........life liberty and the pursuit of happiness....happiness translates in property.

    twice in the constitution , the 5th and 14th amendments states their will be no violatation of............ life liberty and property.

    when government denies people marriage it is violating.........liberty, becuase government it using its force to stop people from preforming an action.

    when government uses it power to force people to preform an action [who have committed no crime, or a health and safety issue] it is also violating ....liberty.

    if government compels people to go to school and teaches them things which are repugnant to their religious beliefs........that is a violation of .............liberty.

    when government uses it power to force a business to serve another citizen...that is a violation of liberty.....[right of association].....and a violation of right to property.

    people always want to use law to benefit their cause, ...yet they wish to reject the law, when it does not suit their purposes.

    Why do you believe that the history of slavery and discrimination in this country should not be taught in public schools, just because it might offend a few bigots?
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    What is it about the happiness here that the anti-marriage equality bigots find so threatening?
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Why do you believe that the history of slavery and discrimination in this country should not be taught in public schools, just because it might offend a few bigots?
    i am not suggesting, that history of slavery and discrimination not be taught, i think they should...however no law can violate the rights of citizens, becuase the majority is for something........ie .....Utah marriage ban.

    the reason for my position....[freedom] as a citizen i have freedom to like and dislike other people and not deal with them, its called [right of association].

    the 14th amendment to our constitution is to protect people from discrimination by governments only, becuase governments are there to secure rights, and the interest of the people.....a business is not here to secure rights and serve the interest of the people, a business serves it own interest.

    the Utah ban on marriage was a morality vote of the people, to stop homosexuals from marrying......the government has no authority in the morality of the peoples personal life's.

    in the same sense..... it has no moral authority to teach people things which they find repugnant to ones sense of morality.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i am not suggesting, that history of slavery and discrimination not be taught, i think they should...however no law can violate the rights of citizens, becuase the majority is for something........ie .....Utah marriage ban.

    the reason for my position....[freedom] as a citizen i have freedom to like and dislike other people and not deal with them, its called [right of association].

    the 14th amendment to our constitution is to protect people from discrimination by governments only, becuase governments are there to secure rights, and the interest of the people.....a business is not here to secure rights and serve the interest of the people, a business serves it own interest.

    the Utah ban on marriage was a morality vote of the people, to stop homosexuals from marrying......the government has no authority in the morality of the peoples personal life's.

    in the same sense..... it has no moral authority to teach people things which they find repugnant to ones sense of morality.
    Well...in essence that is exactly what you are saying. There are some bigots in this country that still believe that blacks are inferior to whites. Why should they be forced in a public school to learn about desegration and the civil rights movement...things that they find offensive or "repugnant to their sense of morality"?

    BTW...there is a very big difference between "Freedom of Association" and the right to disassociation. Certainly you have the right to decide who you want to associate with. However, you do not have a right to disassociate by discriminating against people in the workplace just because you find them "icky".
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i am not suggesting, that history of slavery and discrimination not be taught, i think they should...however no law can violate the rights of citizens, becuase the majority is for something........ie .....Utah marriage ban.

    the reason for my position....[freedom] as a citizen i have freedom to like and dislike other people and not deal with them, its called [right of association].

    the 14th amendment to our constitution is to protect people from discrimination by governments only, becuase governments are there to secure rights, and the interest of the people.....a business is not here to secure rights and serve the interest of the people, a business serves it own interest.

    the Utah ban on marriage was a morality vote of the people, to stop homosexuals from marrying......the government has no authority in the morality of the peoples personal life's.

    in the same sense..... it has no moral authority to teach people things which they find repugnant to ones sense of morality.
    You can dislike them all you want. But the govt...including in a public school system...cant discriminate against them. You stress freedom....and they have THE SAME freedoms you do, or should. How can that be if you decide what marriages and careers they have?

    Esp. where there is no cause or harm shown. Gays cannot turn other people gay, it's not contagious, and even if they promoted it (which I would be against), it's pointless because again....you cant turn people gay.

    No one is 'teaching' homosexuality any more than they are teaching 'heterosexuality.' Where do they do that?

    And in Utah....how does gay marriage affect the 'morality' of other Utah marriages? Does it make those marriages immoral? If so, how?
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    I find the whole drama over 'teaching homosexuality' in schools to soon become a historical footnote.

    Schools do not 'teach homosexuality.' They teach 'inclusion' so that all in schools have a safe, positive place conducive to learning (supposedly).

    In days past, people also moralized over bastards and divorcees. Those children, and children of divorce, were 'excluded' based on other people's judgments. No one ever *taught* that being a single mother was good or that divorce was good....but condemnation is only harmful.Today, we accept the children of single mothers and divorced homes. What is the point in excluding them? That is only harmful.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    What a great Christmas Present for freedom loving Americans and those who believe in Liberty and Justice for all.
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