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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    If these people want equality under the (tax) law I have no idea why they're getting married.... Oh not only that but what if they get divorced???

    Man... Where to begin with that one from a legal perspective.....

    Gay marriage is a legal nightmare first off..... Let the lawyers deal with this fiasco.
    Of course marriage can be exploited...people do it for green cards all the time. Or to gain wealth from the other party. Or status.

    Domestic partnerships could be exploited as well I guess, so it's not necessarly about 'marriage' or even 'civil unions' which would purport to have exactly the same monetary and legal benefits.

    Back in the 90s, Seattle was one of the first cities to recognize domestic partnerships in an effort to give gay partners benefits. However because of the same anti-discrimination laws and considerations, they couldnt make them *just for gays.* Anyone living together (there were a few criteria) was eligible for the benefits. My boyfriend (of many years) and I lived together and he had better benefits thru the city so we signed me up for those benefits, perfectly legally.

    "Marriage" is the issue...the term. So many people object to SSM that agree with civil unions. Marriage really does mean something to some people....gay or straight (not me esp.)
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Really, the federal government? Isn't that the same as having the inmates guard the prison?
    I answered your question. Do you have anything further that's topical?
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Where is the part of the Constitution that gives the court that power? I'll cut to the chase, it's not in there. But, that's not even the issue. The issue is that there is no federal authority to decide how a State deals with marriage, that is a power that rests with the States, not the federal government.
    Tell that to the southern states on their race issues. Sorry, this has been explained to you...it is about discrimination and that supersedes any state decisions on how it treats a protected class. Sexual orientation is a protected class in many states and the fed govt is probably headed that way. As others have said, it's also a gender based issue and every state includes gender in it's protected classes.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Where is the part of the Constitution that gives the court that power? I'll cut to the chase, it's not in there. But, that's not even the issue. The issue is that there is no federal authority to decide how a State deals with marriage, that is a power that rests with the States, not the federal government.
    Under that premise the court erred in the Loving decision.

    However the 14th Amendment does grant the power to the federal government to require that no States deny citizens of a State the privileges & immunities, Due Process, and Equal Protections of the laws of that State.


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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    More good news....the bigots who are fighting against marriage equality lost another round...the appellate court has denied their request to grant a stay. Gay marriages continue to move forward in Utah. Another great day for freedom and equality.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Under that premise the court erred in the Loving decision.

    However the 14th Amendment does grant the power to the federal government to require that no States deny citizens of a State the privileges & immunities, Due Process, and Equal Protections of the laws of that State.


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    Anthony doesn't appear to understand that part.....
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Why the hell does anyone give a **** who wants to marry who? Two friends of mine have been together 30 years. Way longer that my three combined marriages. They finally tied the knot a few weeks ago and I say more power to em' The whole issue is retarded.
    Give a man a fish and he can eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he can sit in a boat, drinking beer all day while you fool around with his Woman.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    More good news....the bigots who are fighting against marriage equality lost another round...the appellate court has denied their request to grant a stay. Gay marriages continue to move forward in Utah. Another great day for freedom and equality.
    while i agree with you to a point government cannot deny people marriage..., i ALSO dont find it to be freedom, when [ some ] gay zealots try to force other to people to accept their way of life....ie.... discrimination laws placed of private business, and public school policies.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    while i agree with you to a point government cannot deny people marriage..., i ALSO dont find it to be freedom, when [ some ] gay zealots try to force other to people to accept their way of life....ie.... discrimination laws placed of private business, and public school policies.
    Gay are not forcing anyone to accept their way of life any more than blacks or women or any other minority for that matter "forces people to accept their way of life". The reality is, Bigots cannot create a world, at least here in the United States, where they are free to practice their bigotry and discrimination outside their front doors. Sorry...but that just part of enjoying the freedoms and opportunities that this great country offers.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    I love this picture. Hundreds of couples lining up in Utah to exercise their right to marry the person whom they love.

    The reality is...the anti-marriage equality bigots are threatened by this because they want to continue to perpetuate their propoganda that gay people are just sex-crazed maniacs that engage in all night orgies. They want to sell an image to America that runs counter to the truth...and that is, gay men and women are just like straight men and women....we all have a desire to marry and cherish the person that we love.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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