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    Re: Gay Marriage Ban Struck in Utah by Federal Judge

    How is marriage a legal nightmare? Marriage and divorce would go through the same trials and tribulations that any marriage would go through. I think the people who oppose marriage for gay people overthink the whole process and fail to realize that homosexuals are just as human and flawed as as every heterosexual, not more so.

    (I say marriage and not "gay marriage" because gay people do not gay park, gay shop, gay read, gay drive, gay anything.)

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I think gays - or even most people of any party (or none at all) actually believe the "governments" recognition of marriage has to do with approval of the concept, when in reality this issue is much larger than that and less social than that...

    Someone could marry a chimpanzee movie star and you would figure out how quick its less about recognition of who you marry but more about money, er better yet how much the chimp owes the government.

    I suppose those who don't pay taxes will find that as "racist" (in their vocab) while the married couples (who pay taxes) will shoot coffee all over their screens...

    It doesn't even matter. Few will ever understand.
    I don't understand why you think that gay people want the government and entire populace to nod their heads in approval of their relationships. Perhaps gay people just want to share their love and commitment with their loved ones and the people that support them? Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they don't think about building and sharing a life with someone. I believe we want to get married for the same reasons heterosexuals want to get married and those reasons vary and differ from each couple.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lonely Eternity View Post
    I don't understand why you think that gay people want the government and entire populace to nod their heads in approval of their relationships. Perhaps gay people just want to share their love and commitment with their loved ones and the people that support them? Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they don't think about building and sharing a life with someone. I believe we want to get married for the same reasons heterosexuals want to get married and those reasons vary and differ from each couple.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    The States are not violating the Constitution, it's federal government that is violating the Constitution, that is the point. Do you seriously advocate the federal government violating the Constitution?




    That is such a poor analogy. The right to bear arms is specifically protected in the Constitution, marriage is not addressed in any way whatsoever.
    Equal protection under the law, dude. The government isn't violating the constitution by overturning an unconstitutional law.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The federal govt...entrusted to upholding the Constitution.
    Really, the federal government? Isn't that the same as having the inmates guard the prison?
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lonely Eternity View Post
    You have heard of the term "Checks and Balances" right? It is well within the judge's power and it is kinda part of his job description to decide that which is and is not constitutional.
    Where is the part of the Constitution that gives the court that power? I'll cut to the chase, it's not in there. But, that's not even the issue. The issue is that there is no federal authority to decide how a State deals with marriage, that is a power that rests with the States, not the federal government.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Where is the part of the Constitution that gives the court that power? I'll cut to the chase, it's not in there. But, that's not even the issue. The issue is that there is no federal authority to decide how a State deals with marriage, that is a power that rests with the States, not the federal government.
    Equal protection under the law.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Equal protection under the law.
    You are kidding, right? Don't tell me that is the best argument you can come up with to try and give the courts that power. What about Congress, or the executive branch? How does that little clause you pasted specifically give the the courts the power to judge the Constitution? Especially the lower courts, which are created by Congress?

    As I said before, it's not in there. Not my opinion, just a fact.
    Also, as I said before, it's beside the point.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    You are kidding, right? Don't tell me that is the best argument you can come up with to try and give the courts that power. What about Congress, or the executive branch? How does that little clause you pasted specifically give the the courts the power to judge the Constitution? Especially the lower courts, which are created by Congress?

    As I said before, it's not in there. Not my opinion, just a fact.
    Also, as I said before, it's beside the point.
    So you want to have a constitution but have no checks and balances in place to enforce it. Interesting.

    If the ACA had been overturned as unconstitutional, would you have been whining then?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Where is the part of the Constitution that gives the court that power?
    Art III, Sec 1
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