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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Doesn't matter. Unconstitutional is unconstitutional. Doesn't matter if 100% of the voters support it.

    but it's still surprising that a judge in Utah would make the decision. Utah republicans had previously given this judge high praise when appointed.
    It's unconstitutional because it's not within the federal government's power to decide this issue. I haven't even looked up this judge, not sure who appointed him, or who has been praising him.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yeah, because turning the 66% of voters that voted to put traditional marriage as the definition of marriage for their state into second class citizens and saying their right to vote and the states ability to define marriage for itself made an "irrational" decision is "cool."

    It's not cool, it's sick and such a massive injustice against freedom and human rights. Regardless of your stance on SSM, this is wrong on so many levels.
    So the majority can vote away the rights of the minority?

    We cqn just get together and vote that guys like you can't be pharmacists and that's ok with you?
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    It's unconstitutional because it's not within the federal government's power to decide this issue. I haven't even looked up this judge, not sure who appointed him, or who has been praising him.
    When they CHOSE to get involved by handing out privileges, benefits, and legal protections, it became their business because the federal AND state govt may not discriminate.

    IMO it's not about marriage being a right, altho others have made that point here, for you, but that they may not discriminate if they recognize the institution and provide benefits, etc.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    It's unconstitutional because it's not within the federal government's power to decide this issue. I haven't even looked up this judge, not sure who appointed him, or who has been praising him.
    It is within the federal governments power, judicial branch, specifically, to decide if a state law violates the US constitution. Do you seriously advocate allowing states to violate the constitution at their sole discretion?

    Lets say that Utah instead decided that a blanket gun ban didn't violate the US Constitution. After all, you still have the right to own swords, and those are arms! You don't think the Feds are allowed to step in and smack that one down?
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It is within the federal governments power, judicial branch, specifically, to decide if a state law violates the US constitution. Do you seriously advocate allowing states to violate the constitution at their sole discretion?
    The States are not violating the Constitution, it's federal government that is violating the Constitution, that is the point. Do you seriously advocate the federal government violating the Constitution?

    Lets say that Utah instead decided that a blanket gun ban didn't violate the US Constitution. After all, you still have the right to own swords, and those are arms! You don't think the Feds are allowed to step in and smack that one down?

    That is such a poor analogy. The right to bear arms is specifically protected in the Constitution, marriage is not addressed in any way whatsoever.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    When they CHOSE to get involved by handing out privileges, benefits, and legal protections, it became their business because the federal AND state govt may not discriminate.

    IMO it's not about marriage being a right, altho others have made that point here, for you, but that they may not discriminate if they recognize the institution and provide benefits, etc.
    Who are "they" and "their"?
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Who are "they" and "their"?
    The federal govt...entrusted to upholding the Constitution.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    It's unconstitutional because it's not within the federal government's power to decide this issue. I haven't even looked up this judge, not sure who appointed him, or who has been praising him.
    You have heard of the term "Checks and Balances" right? It is well within the judge's power and it is kinda part of his job description to decide that which is and is not constitutional.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    I think gays - or even most people of any party (or none at all) actually believe the "governments" recognition of marriage has to do with approval of the concept, when in reality this issue is much larger than that and less social than that...

    Someone could marry a chimpanzee movie star and you would figure out how quick its less about recognition of who you marry but more about money, er better yet how much the chimp owes the government.

    I suppose those who don't pay taxes will find that as "racist" (in their vocab) while the married couples (who pay taxes) will shoot coffee all over their screens...

    It doesn't even matter. Few will ever understand.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    If these people want equality under the (tax) law I have no idea why they're getting married.... Oh not only that but what if they get divorced???

    Man... Where to begin with that one from a legal perspective.....

    Gay marriage is a legal nightmare first off..... Let the lawyers deal with this fiasco.

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