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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, because it is recognized that the ruling is being challenged. It does not recognize the law as valid, only that allowing further actions based on the ruling to happen can complicate the future rulings. It is common in many rulings. The ruling is still valid and means that those other marriages are still legal marriages until a future ruling, based solely on the validity of those marriages that got in prior to the stay is made.
    Except there is no difference between a prior challenge gay marriage and one today.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    1.)I could care less about the issue being discussed - I'm on a different level than that.

    2.)The feds shouldn't be sticking their dick where it doesn't belong....

    3.)The feds can't do a damn thing....

    4.) If a governor told the feds to **** off the feds wouldn't know what to do - especially Obama.... They'd file lawsuits which would be moot considering they would still be in denial about what "**** off" means...

    5.)Seriously, the feds couldn't do ****..
    1.) yes a factual wrong and off topic level
    2.) good thing this factually isnt happening the fed is doing exactly what they are supposed to do, protect individual rights
    3.) already proven factually false, crimes can be prosecuted
    4.) they would simply prosecute the criminal
    5.) see 3
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Can you make a post with out using the word ****? And yes I know what authoritarianism is I also know what the tyranny of the majority is.
    No I cant make a post without saying ****...

    Oh yeah, you're one of those progressives who believe the majority is the evil devil until you get majority and then it's democracy....

    Nothing unique about that philosophy - every progressive "liberal" possesses it...

    Do you progressives not realize you all make the same ****ing arguments? its almost as if they're scripted. They probably are considering the DNC hands materials out these days that are 1984is contradictions or rebuttals to accusations or even philosophies.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    No I cant make a post without saying ****...

    1.)Oh yeah, you're one of those progressives who believe the majority is the evil devil until you get majority and then it's democracy....

    2.)Nothing unique about that philosophy - every progressive "liberal" possesses it...

    3.)Do you progressives not realize you all make the same ****ing arguments? its almost as if they're scripted. They probably are considering the DNC hands materials out these days that are 1984 is contradictions or rebuttals to accusations or even philosophies.
    1.) no this was never said it was only said the majority doesnt get to trump rights, why do you make stuff up
    2.) well since you posted a lie and made it up i agree theres nothign unique about that lie
    3.) weird people on the right, left, conservatives, progressives, liberals etc all understand the fact this is an equal rights issue yet you post the lie that only progressives support equal rights

    well facts defeat your post again
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    No I cant make a post without saying ****...

    Oh yeah, you're one of those progressives who believe the majority is the evil devil until you get majority and then it's democracy....

    Nothing unique about that philosophy - every progressive "liberal" possesses it...

    Do you progressives not realize you all make the same ****ing arguments? its almost as if they're scripted. They probably are considering the DNC hands materials out these days that are 1984is contradictions or rebuttals to accusations or even philosophies.

    You are in a league of your own Nick, thank goodness.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, because it is recognized that the ruling is being challenged. It does not recognize the law as valid, only that allowing further actions based on the ruling to happen can complicate the future rulings. It is common in many rulings. The ruling is still valid and means that those other marriages are still legal marriages until a future ruling, based solely on the validity of those marriages that got in prior to the stay is made.
    A passed law is valid until it is squashed/repealed (even while being challenged).

    Obamacare is a perfect example.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    You are in a league of your own Nick, thank goodness.
    Yes I am and I'm not embarrassed to say that either.

    Sorry but protecting the Bill of Rights and civil liberties shouldn't be taboo, nor frowned upon.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Are you saying this is illegal?
    I'll leave that to the courts to decide. But how would you feel if you were told your marriage was not recognized by your state, when you paid the money, got the license, had the ceremony, and thought you were married?

    The marriages still exist; the state may close its eyes and go "waaaah we can't see them". But they are there. They are part of the public record.

    We'll see how well that ignoring holds up in court...

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    But how would you feel if you were told your marriage was not recognized by your state, when you paid the money, got the license, had the ceremony, and thought you were married?
    I would know it would be silly to do so in that time frame.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yes, federal funding IS a big deal. Not to mention all the other little ways the fed could make things very uncomfortable for the state. Like requiring federal oversight for every single administrative department the state has, from police to accounting. The IRS could go into overtime checking and rechecking every Utah politicians and business tax filings and charging them for the pleasure.

    Again, not saying it's right, just saying it's where we are.
    Let's see, what did the feds do the LAST time Utah tried to go their own way with marriage? hmm.... I seem to remember it involved troops...

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