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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Maybe you didn't hear about what happened in Little Rock after the Brown decision. The police and other law enforcement can be used to ensure that court orders/rulings are upheld and followed, when state lawmakers/governors feel stubbornly refuse.

    Little Rock School Desegregation (1957)

    Not too hard. The federal government has the right and the support to enforce SCOTUS decisions, and they will.
    No military unit in their right mind would EVER AGAIN back the federal government over the Tenth Amendment....

    Sorry but there are no riots happening and there is no civil disobedience here...

    Is this the United States or is the the former USSR?

    I know progressives want it to be the USSR but sorry to tell these progressives but a bunch of academics and politicians who theorize about what looks good on paper should really see their flaws in reality and in practice...

    What are the feds going to do? arrest a governor? an entire legislative body for not adhering to their bull****?

    How you think Russia became communist in the first place with Lenin and the Bolsheviks? yeah they said "**** off" - just like I'm saying **** off to them...
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That is the law that has been deemed invalid.

    But just it has already been ruled that a state cannot simply invalidate legal same sex marriages. They can choose not to recognize them, but they cannot void them. And that is what the governor is trying to do. Recognition of those marriages would in fact be part of the decision on its way up now, but it also is easily another legal suit altogether, given the different nature of this. It is similar to what went on with the Prop 8 case. They had somewhat of the same issue.
    But is isn't.

    Of course they can, and are.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    With that response:
    For some, Libertarian is just another name for nothing left to lose .
    What the hell does that mean?

    Libertarian means for some, something left to protect.

    You authoritarians have no respect for liberty - all you want is obedience to your collectivist ideas... Our country wasn't founded to suit one idea.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Much different country.
    Less authoritarian and controlling?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    What the hell does that mean?

    Libertarian means for some, something left to protect.

    You authoritarians have no respect for liberty - all you want is obedience to your collectivist ideas... Our country wasn't founded to suit one idea.

    So you seem to think if the majority vote one way on something say llike to deny gay marriage that should be the way it is right?

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    No military unit in their right mind would EVER AGAIN back the federal government over the Tenth Amendment....

    Sorry but there are no riots happening and there is no civil disobedience here...

    Is this the United States or is the the former USSR?

    I know progressives want it to be the USSR but sorry to tell these progressives but a bunch of academics and politicians who theorize about what looks good on paper should really see their flaws in reality and in practice...

    What are the feds going to do? arrest a governor? an entire legislative body for not adhering to their bull****?

    How you think Russia became communist in the first place with Lenin and the Bolsheviks? yeah they said "**** off" - just like I'm saying **** off to them...
    Posse Commitatus Act prevents the military from working within the borders of the US, although the NG could technically still help. And most military units would not be really effective in this case anyway.

    But there is plenty of law enforcement that would help as well. And there are plenty of supporters out there, along with those who simply do not care about this issue one way or another. The federal government has the power here, whether you approve or not.

    And there are other ways to ensure enforcement of rulings, otherwise Texas would continue to try to prosecute sodomites.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Harder to conceal made up reasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    For some, Libertarian is just another name for nothing left to lose .
    Democrat is just another name for nothing left to take.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    But is isn't.

    Of course they can, and are.
    It is invalid as of right now. The law has been ruled unconstitutional and until another ruling is made to overturn this current ruling, then the law is invalid.

    They can what? They cannot simply void a marriage, no matter what this governor believes. They will see major lawsuits due to their own laws on voiding marriages and what the law says about this. Even the state laws (that I have already posted) say that there are certain circumstances only in which a marriage can be voided. Same sex marriage is not one of those.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is invalid as of right now. The law has been ruled unconstitutional and until another ruling is made to overturn this current ruling, then the law is invalid.

    They can what? They cannot simply void a marriage, no matter what this governor believes. They will see major lawsuits due to their own laws on voiding marriages and what the law says about this. Even the state laws (that I have already posted) say that there are certain circumstances only in which a marriage can be voided. Same sex marriage is not one of those.
    No, that ruling has been stayed. The law is valid, legal, and enforceable as of right now.

    I encourage them to sue before the 10th hears arguments.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    1.)No military unit in their right mind would EVER AGAIN back the federal government over the Tenth Amendment....
    Sorry but there are no riots happening and there is no civil disobedience here...

    2.)Is this the United States or is the the former USSR?

    3.)I know progressives want it to be the USSR but sorry to tell these progressives but a bunch of academics and politicians who theorize about what looks good on paper should really see their flaws in reality and in practice...

    4.) What are the feds going to do? arrest a governor? an entire legislative body for not adhering to their bull****?

    5.) How you think Russia became communist in the first place with Lenin and the Bolsheviks? yeah they said "**** off" - just like I'm saying **** off to them...
    1.)what?

    make up your mind

    will bigots try to riot, be disobedient and try to seced from the US or not, if so and its REALLY tried yes the military would be involved and they would kick ass

    2.) of course not, if it was bigotry would be winning but instead equal rights is winning, dont you watch the news or read it?

    Russia supports bigotry and discrimination we dont

    3.) see #2 facts prove you factually wrong again, russia doesnt allow gay rights so this strawman is one of the worse ones ever

    4.) yes if they break the law

    5.) this strawman again? see 2 and 3
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