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    Re: Gay Marriage Ban Struck in Utah by Federal Judge

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    That's, wow, out of the blue. The state can appeal the ruling, of course. I haven't been able to figure out if same-sex couples can have a license issued in the state of Utah, or not? Anyone?

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    Good stuff. I never would have expected that out of Utah, though.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    As a matter of law, which is what this is about, probably because you keep demanding someone show you how marriage laws exclude homosexuals from marrying.

    After saying things like this:



    And continuing to do so after it's shown time after time after time that courts reject your argument and say that yes, marriage laws on their face discriminate against homosexuals, while rejecting "gender classification" as an argument.

    I don't know why you insist on sticking your finger into that light socket over and over, but indeed you do.
    Which court rejects the gender classification?

    i think you are assuming that a court saying "this discriminates against homosexuals" is somehow rejecting the point I'm making. It's not. The two arguments are not mutually exclusive.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Which court rejects the gender classification?
    I already told you all about a specific court rejecting gender classification as an equal protection argument, a couple of different times. You say I "ignored the conversation"? You've obviously simply disregarded everything you didn't want to hear.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I already told you all about a specific court rejecting gender classification as an equal protection argument, a couple of different times. You say I "ignored the conversation"? You've obviously simply disregarded everything you didn't want to hear.
    No, you quoted court decisions saying homosexuals are being discriminated against. This is true. It is not a rejection of the idea that that discrimination is being done through the use of a gender-based classification.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, you quoted court decisions saying homosexuals are being discriminated against. This is true. It is not a rejection of the idea that that discrimination is being done through the use of a gender-based classification.
    Several times I mentioned the Perry case and what Judge Walker said in it. It does not surprise me that you don't know that, as you appear to ignore that which you don't want to hear.

    And no, the courts I quoted are not simply saying homosexuals are being discriminated against. The courts are saying, specifically, contrary to what you said, that the state laws prevent them from marrying. It is you who is being dishonest.

    Yeah, there's no further point to this. Believe whatever you want; you'll still be wrong. Why it's so important to you to BE wrong, I will never understand.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Several times I mentioned the Perry case and what Judge Walker said in it. It does not surprise me that you don't know that, as you appear to ignore that which you don't want to hear.

    And no, the courts I quoted are not simply saying homosexuals are being discriminated against. The courts are saying, specifically, contrary to what you said, that the state laws prevent them from marrying. It is you who is being dishonest.

    Yeah, there's no further point to this. Believe whatever you want; you'll still be wrong. Why it's so important to you to BE wrong, I will never understand.
    Quote the relevant text of the decision.

    I never said state laws didn't prevent them from marrying. Numerous times in this very thread I've said the opposite. But I'll do it again, for you, to prove to everyone how big a liar you are.

    1 -Homosexuals are being discriminated against regarding the right to marry.
    2 -The method chosen to do this is to define marriage as between one man and one woman.

    That quote of mine from a different thread you keep parading around? It's a reference to the second line, not the first.

    If you keep insisting that I claimed homosexuals aren't being prevented from marrying, proof of your lie is right here. You have all of the clarification that it is possible to give. I'm sorry to have caused you so much confusion, but here is the resolution. You know what I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    For no rational reason? He pretty much writes off the reasons that the majority of voters had when voting and is saying they are not rational. This needs to be appealed and overturned, what a far far far overstepping of judicial rule.
    Okay, tell us how banning SSM rationally relates to a legitimate government interest. Keep in mind, the test is not "did voters have reasons that they consider rational?" The test is whether or not the law rationally related to a legitimate government interest.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    What is lacking in intelligence (and bigoted) is your belief that marriage is only between a man and a woman when there are thousands of marriages between people of the same sex.
    You can repeat your bigoted name calling all you want, it's just small and immature.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It's false that you are affected by SSM? Well done then. as for 'separate but equal' not being Constitutional, well, that is fact and a matter of record.
    Sometimes, it just gets tiresome dealing with you low information voters.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Sometimes, it just gets tiresome dealing with you low information voters.
    The only low-information voter in this dicussion is YOU, Batman.
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