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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Sure, we allow marajuanna to be sold now, so looks like the "won't be harmful to society" bar has just dropped quite a bit. They are going to demand marriage include them just like gays are doing now. No law will stop them, since civil rights trumps everything these days.
    wrong again it has to be a factual equal/civil rights issue

    just cant make it up it has to actually apply lol

    if you disagree simply provide an example of all these groups you speak of and how they will be able to use the precedent of hetero/homosexual marriage in their cases.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    not at the expense of individual rights
    What individual rights are being infringed on? "Expended"?
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I could say that it should not be at the expense of states rights then.
    Civil unions can be made to include all the benifits of marriage, and preserve everyone's rights. But it has already been stated, I believe in this thread, that they don't want just the rights, they must have the definition of marriage changed also. To me, that sounds like a vindictive, anti Christian position, that should not be rewarded. But it probably will, since we know this government is no friend of Christianity.
    THey want to be *married*. It means exactly the same thing to them and they want exactly the same traditions and meaning (to them) that they grew up desiring, just like anyone else. And that they will impart to their children.

    Many of them are Christians. They believe God loves them just the same and as a Christian, so do I. How can it be vindictive? THat's just pathetic and probably you projecting your (still unexplained) personal resentment over SSM.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    That's the part that makes him a coward. He "personally" thought marriage was between a man and a woman when that was the majority opinion. Then he took a more "in the middle" position with this states' rights nonsense exactly when that became the better political choice. Some of your guys are talking about Obama like he's the second coming of Marx when he's barely even a liberal.
    I dont see how that is cowardly. There are several positions where I 'personally' believe something and would act accordingly personally, but I support a different position politically, like when I vote for an issue or candidate, because I believe it's a) Constitutional and b) better for society overall. (and often both).

    For example: abortion, legalizing pot, supporting pharmacists that choose not to sell the morning after pill, legalizing prostitution, etc.

    There's nothing wrong with believing that marriage, to YOU, means a man and a woman. What is wrong isattempting to force that belief on others when it is discriminatory.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    There's nothing wrong with believing that marriage, to YOU, means a man and a woman. What is wrong is attempting to FORCE that belief on others when it is DISCRIMINATORY (and violates equal/civil/human rights).
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    wrong again it has to be a factual equal/civil rights issue

    just cant make it up it has to actually apply lol

    if you disagree simply provide an example of all these groups you speak of and how they will be able to use the precedent of hetero/homosexual marriage in their cases.
    Oh, no. It's "civil rights". Trumps everything. They have the same rights as gays do. Fact. Destroyed. You!
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Oh, no. It's "civil rights". Trumps everything. They have the same rights as gays do. Fact. Destroyed. You!
    The burden is on the state to justify a gender-based classification when an equal protection challenge arises. Defining marriage as between one man and one woman is a gender-based classification, obviously.

    So provide that justification.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Oh, no. It's "civil rights". Trumps everything. They have the same rights as gays do. Fact. Destroyed. You!
    I have no idea who the "them" is you referred to in an earlier post or the "they" in this post, but if some group can prove to the courts that their civil rights are being violated, then the courts need to invalidate the laws that violate those civil rights.

    Yes, civil rights really do trump everything in our society. You don't like it, feel free to try to amend the constitution or move to a country without civil rights.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    THey want to be *married*. It means exactly the same thing to them and they want exactly the same traditions and meaning (to them) that they grew up desiring, just like anyone else. And that they will impart to their children.
    Hey, if it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, it's a duck. And, of course, you mean offspring from a man and a woman. Because they can't do that, though I've been told "gay" marriage is the exact same thing as regular marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Many of them are Christians. They believe God loves them just the same and as a Christian, so do I. How can it be vindictive? THat's just pathetic and probably you projecting your (still unexplained) personal resentment over SSM.
    That's something I never said, just a lie that you made up.
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