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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So, what part of the bold didnt you understand when you read it for at least the 2nd time? You even quoted it. The state and the voters pushed for SSM...they ACTED....the federal SCOTUS woud INTERPRET EXISTING precedent in their decision.

    The feds didnt try to legalize SSM ANYWHERE. But just like any court, if they take the case they must rule on it.
    How did the state and voters of Utah push for same sex marriage when they approved an amendment to define marriage as between a man and a woman?
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    How did the state and voters of Utah push for same sex marriage when they approved an amendment to define marriage as between a man and a woman?
    easy because the amendment violated individual rights so it pushed people to act and get other courts to step in. Pretty basic.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    easy because the amendment violated individual rights so it pushed people to act and get other courts to step in. Pretty basic.
    Wow, just wow. So, they voted against it, that means they are for it. If they had voted for, that would also mean they are for it. Nothing new with the left. You can not be Bahgdad Bob, he was never this far gone.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    1.)Wow, just wow. So, they voted against it, that means they are for it.
    2.) If they had voted for, that would also mean they are for it.
    3.) Nothing new with the left.
    4.) You can not be Bahgdad Bob, he was never this far gone.
    1.) nope never said that one time, didnt even suggest anything so nonsensical. My words were very clear. You asked how they PUSHED for this and i explained it. SInce the voted an amendment that was a violation of individual rights, and that cause people to react and get other courts involved that how the push happened.

    Please stay on topic and dont make stuff up it only shows how poor your failed argument is.

    2.) ok but you asked how it was pushed, again please stay on topic

    3.) im not on the left
    4.) not him and nothing i said was gone its all factually accurate.
    facts defeat your post again
    if you disagree instead of using failed insults simply provide any facts that support you, heck we'll take even one thats accurate, topical and factual.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    You're dealing with judges here, they don't care what the rules are. They will rule whatever they want to rule, and figure out how to get there later. Besides, if the Supreme Court rules that way, you're pretty much done.
    This issue will continue to come up to the SCOTUS until it is legal across the US for same sex couples to marry, in every state. Even a single SCOTUS decision against same sex marriage (which isn't likely given the current public sentiment and the mindset of the current Court) would not be viewed as defeat (setback, sure, not defeat).
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    1.) nope never...
    And I, too, am waiting for anything factual from you.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    And I, too, am waiting for anything factual from you.
    translation: you got nothing as i and other posters have already post facts.

    if you disagree simply provide the link/quote of me saying they were for it, it never happened.

    Its a fact i never said the lie you claimed.
    Its also a fact that this is a civil/equal rights issues just like minority rights, womans rights and interracial marriage.

    as always if you disagree simply bring any fact to the table that show prove otherwise, we'll be waiting.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    translation: you got nothing as i and other posters have already post facts.

    if you disagree simply provide the link/quote of me saying they were for it, it never happened.

    Its a fact i never said the lie you claimed.
    Its also a fact that this is a civil/equal rights issues just like minority rights, womans rights and interracial marriage.

    as always if you disagree simply bring any fact to the table that show prove otherwise, we'll be waiting.
    No, it is your opinion, not a fact. And no need to wait, I've posted all my reasoning, choc full o'logic and facts. So go ahead and have at it. A lot is my opinion, mostly Constitutional issues, but well reasoned. I guess that's the difference, you are posting your opinions, not facts, and feel no need to back them up.

    But at this point, it's just banter. I know enough that when someone considers all results to bolster their opinion, there is not much of a point in hitting them with the same argument over and over and expecting a different result.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    IMO Its AWESOME that SCOTUS put this on hold. I hope people keep pushing and pushing and pushing all these cases as much as possible to get SCOTUS to make a ruling. And i hope a national ruling and not just one that is narrow.

    Doesnt matter to me which people push it, whether its the people for equal rights or the bigots against it as long as many cases as possible are pushed up and up and up.

    at this point no matter what little battles are won or lost the writing is on the wall.

    Equal rights is coming and its winning, discrimination and or bigotry is losing! Bigots and people against equal rights and kick and stomp their feet all they want but the war is coming to an end and they lost, victory for america and equal rights will be here soon or later.
    While I agree SSM is coming, the longer the SCOTUS waits to rule, the more states will have it, and the more likely it is the SCOTUS will rule in favor of SSM. Yes, sadly, they do get swayed by "popular opinion" to a degree. The other thing is the more states that have it, the more weird cases we get - people moving to a state where they can't divorce, for example - and the more it is apparent that having them legal in some states and not in others isn't working. they need to be legal everywhere.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    easy because the amendment violated individual rights so it pushed people to act and get other courts to step in. Pretty basic.
    Exactly. If Utah voters hadn't passed the amendment, there wouldn't have been anything to bring to the courts; because they did, people stepped up to defend their rights under the federal constitution, and the case ended up in court and the amendment was overturned.

    If they had never voted on it, Utah probably would not (yet) have SSM.

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