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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    You just refuse to look at the facts, since it hurts your argument. And let me be clear, if I haven't posted this enough already. I am not arguing against "gay" marriage (though I don't support it) as much as I am arguing that the federal government, once again, is trampling on the Constitution and acting where they don't have the power to act.

    If a state votes to allow it, fine. The people have spoken. If a judge then comes in and says he's decided otherwise, I've got a problem with that.
    And I explained to YOU....that the fed govt is NOT acting...the states and the voters are. Some states' SCOTUSes have already ruled on it's Constitutionality. And the fed level SCOTUS is/will be ruling on precedent, on the same interpretations of the Const. that supported Loving vs. VA.

    Again....you have no idea what you are even complaining about. You are looking for 'legitimate' reasons to object to SSM....and are barking up the wrong tree.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    You got it, Lursa! he's just looking for excuses...

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I didn't say that at all.
    Well, that's what they've done. They've blocked a law that violates the equal protection clause. Yes, we know, you think the law doesn't. But quite a few judges now have decided it does. And you'll continue to ignore the mechanics of an equal protection challenge.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Well, finally, as I expected, SCOTUS has spoken and halted gay marriage until the appeal can be heard.

    Supreme Court puts gay marriages in Utah on hold - latimes.com

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well, finally, as I expected, SCOTUS has spoken and halted gay marriage until the appeal can be heard.

    Supreme Court puts gay marriages in Utah on hold - latimes.com
    Which puts them in basically the same position as California. They already have people who have been married, whether they approve or not. And it is not likely that they will void those marriages that have occurred (possible but not likely). And they are also not likely to rule against same sex marriage. They have already set precedent, at least to a small degree, in striking down California's ban (I realize it was a lower court, but they basically supported it by not addressing it and punting to the "no standing to appeal" ruling).

    And this also puts another aspect for pushing this through the courts quickly, since many of these couples were married prior to the end of 2013, taxes. Whether or not these couples who have already married will be recognized as such on 2013 state and/or federal taxes.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Which puts them in basically the same position as California. They already have people who have been married, whether they approve or not. And it is not likely that they will void those marriages that have occurred (possible but not likely). And they are also not likely to rule against same sex marriage. They have already set precedent, at least to a small degree, in striking down California's ban (I realize it was a lower court, but they basically supported it by not addressing it and punting to the "no standing to appeal" ruling).
    Depends on how the appeal goes. If it goes for Utah those marriages will be seen as null and void and set aside. It's not the SCOTUS that rules in the appeal.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Depends on how the appeal goes. If it goes for Utah those marriages will be seen as null and void and set aside. It's not the SCOTUS that rules in the appeal.
    And (as I commented in my edited post), it will lead to many more lawsuits if they don't recognize those marriages that already occurred. In fact, they will have more issues by simply not recognizing those marriages because it means much more to fight and less chance of winning overall.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well, finally, as I expected, SCOTUS has spoken and halted gay marriage until the appeal can be heard.

    Supreme Court puts gay marriages in Utah on hold - latimes.com
    I am of the same opinion. I also think if Kennedy is pressured on this he will side with a state's right to define marriage. I could see a major Supreme Court ruling on this case leading to a standoff that will last decades between both sides.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And (as I commented in my edited post), it will lead to many more lawsuits if they don't recognize those marriages that already occurred. In fact, they will have more issues by simply not recognizing those marriages because it means much more to fight and less chance of winning overall.
    No, they'd have no legs to stand on if Utah wins the appeal. Wishful thinking on your part.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well, finally, as I expected, SCOTUS has spoken and halted gay marriage until the appeal can be heard.

    Supreme Court puts gay marriages in Utah on hold - latimes.com

    It was a good call. I've said before that Judge Shelby should have issued a 30-day stay before Civil Marriages were allowed to begin specifically so that there would have been time to address a longer stay (through the appeals process) by either the 10th or the SCOTUS. Allowing Civil Marriages to begin prior to determining if the they would be put on hold during the rest of the process was a bad move.

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