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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    His existence does not alter the fact that only very recently, and for political reasons, has marriage ever been claimed to mean same sex, and certainly not federally.
    Definitions change. It doesn't matter what something meant in the past. When it comes to something we are talking about today, marriage, it only matters what people want it to mean now, and that is to include those of the same sex.

    And since yes same sex couples have been able to be married since at least as far back as 2004 (truly earlier, since it really was as soon as we started recognizing people as being legally able to change their gender/sex), then that means that the change has occurred. And federally, same sex marriage is legal. On a personal level, marriage has included same sex couples for a very long time because it only takes one.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Definitions change.
    More slowly in terms of the state, as can be seen with the federal government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    First, all such changes are political in nature. Second, something being political has no bearing on whether or not that change is morally right.
    Not interested in moral based argument as morals are laughably subjective.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    More slowly in terms of the state, as can be seen with the federal government.



    Not interested in moral based argument as morals are laughably subjective.
    Indeed they are, as demonstrated by the changing moral climate that increasingly sees gays as deserving of equal protection under the law.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    In other words, you have a personal definition of marriage that you don't want to change despite the fact that it already had. Marriage already includes same sex couples, whether you approve or not. You do not own the definition of marriage. You do not own the right to tell others that they cannot legally be involved in marriage because you think that it is only between two people of the opposite sex.
    And really, neither do you. I guess there is no reason to go to court, have votes, protests, etc... since you've declared that marriage is already a same sex thing too. You better tell these people to stop.

    Yeah, I have that personal definition in my personal dictionary, lol.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    changing moral climate
    Correct, totally made up nothingness.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Correct, totally made up nothingness.
    But very real to people directly impacted by how that morality has been legislated. A better example of "made up nothingness" would be the resistance to gay marriage by people who are unaffected by it in any concrete sense.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    who are unaffected
    Unaffected? Do you mean morally, to you, unaffected

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Unaffected? Do you mean morally, to you, unaffected
    Interesting that you left out "in any concrete sense." I put that there for a reason.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Interesting that you left out "in any concrete sense." I put that there for a reason.
    So affected just not in a way you find to be wrong?

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    So affected just not in a way you find to be wrong?
    Look, this debate is really, really old. For years people who've resisted gay marriage have been asked to explain how they are affected by gays marrying, and they can't. The jury is in: you can't demonstrate how you're affected in any concrete sense by gay marriage, so just drop it. This block has been circled millions of times already.
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