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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Nope, not referring to that, it's a completely different issue. Those state laws said only some people can marry others of the opposite sex. Now, anyone can marry someone of the opposite sex. No discrimination at all.
    That exact logic was explicitly rejected in the Loving case. "Everyone can marry someone of the same race. No discrimination at all!"

    So what makes you think this logic is valid now when it wasn't then? You must think there's some distinctive difference here that makes such logic acceptable now.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    There was no answer, hence my question.

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    A 5 year old or 10 year old cannot sign their own contracts, no matter how much freedom or independence a parent may wish to give them. In fact, the same is true for even older children for the most part. A parent cannot decide that their child should be allowed to work at the age of 15 for 40 hours a week in most states, even if their child is capable of doing so. By law, they are not of legal age to take care of themself, even if they have the physical capability to do so. So, no it is not about parenting but forced discrimination based on age.
    Unless they are on a farm.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    There was no answer, hence my question.

    Unless they are on a farm.
    They still can't choose to do whatever they want to do. They are not free to make the same legal decisions that adults can make due solely to their age under the law.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Nope, not referring to that, it's a completely different issue. Those state laws said only some people can marry others of the opposite sex. Now, anyone can marry someone of the opposite sex. No discrimination at all.
    That's pretty tortured. Your attempt to make them dissimilar is making your argument scream in pain.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Unless they are on a farm.
    Scatt - I asked for an answer to a simple question: Are you ok with 5 yr olds driving, or are you ok with state discriminating against younger drivers based on age?

    Simple question. I didn't ask for an opinion of parenting, I didn't ask about farm chores, and Yes, I'm talking about driving on public roads, not driving a toy car around the house.

    You have said you don't want the state discriminating, period (although you seem to be ok with them discriminating by not allowing SSM). So I'm just asking how far you would go with that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Scatt - I asked for an answer to a simple question: Are you ok with 5 yr olds driving, or are you ok with state discriminating against younger drivers based on age?

    Simple question. I didn't ask for an opinion of parenting, I didn't ask about farm chores, and Yes, I'm talking about driving on public roads, not driving a toy car around the house.

    You have said you don't want the state discriminating, period. So I'm just asking how far you would go with that.
    I do not support state discrimination of any kind (for the umpteenth time). And this sounds like a bad parenting issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They still can't choose to do whatever they want to do. They are not free to make the same legal decisions that adults can make due solely to their age under the law.
    That is what the state does, remove freedoms or "rights."

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    I do not support state discrimination of any kind (for the umpteenth time). And this sounds like a bad parenting issue.S

    That is what the state does, remove freedoms or "rights."
    So then you feel that if a 5 year old wishes to get a job as a cook then they should be allowed? Or perhaps join the Army? Or maybe sign a contract that says they will work for someone paying them pittance? Or what about working 80 hours a week? If their parents, assuming they have some, don't object, then who else will protect them? Some parents would welcome the extra money from having their young children work, some even forcing their children to do it.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    I do not support state discrimination of any kind (for the umpteenth time). And this sounds like a bad parenting issue.



    That is what the state does, remove freedoms or "rights."


    Ok! so kids can drive, drink, smoke, get jobs. Let's forget about school - making it mandatory for kids is discrimination by the state, after all! Let's put those kids to work like they do in 3rd world countries.

    I'm really glad you aren't in charge, Scatt.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So then you feel that if a 5 year old wishes to get a job as a cook then they should be allowed? Or perhaps join the Army? Or maybe sign a contract that says they will work for someone paying them pittance? Or what about working 80 hours a week? If their parents, assuming they have some, don't object, then who else will protect them? Some parents would welcome the extra money from having their young children work, some even forcing their children to do it.
    Let's have a children's army! send our kids into battle to fight and be killed!

    Sigh. I hope Scatt sees that's the problem with absolute ideologies; sometimes the outcomes they lead to are NOT very good.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I didn't say anything about the courts. I said the laws said that.

    The courts did not actually address it. They merely mention that there is a group of people who are being targeted by the discrimination, gays. It is still discrimination based on sex/gender, not sexuality.
    And you were arguing with what I said about the courts.

    If your point is that you disagree with the courts, then so be it; it doesn't really matter.
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