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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And I've explained to you again and again that the courts have said that the discrimination is against homosexuals. This is true.

    However, the tool used for that discrimination is a gender-based classification, not one of sexuality. It's really not that difficult. Defining a marriage as between one man and one woman is a gender-based classification, not a sexuality-based classification. The effect and intent of this, obviously, is discriminating against homosexuals.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The courts have not said anything about what I said. The laws are what we are talking about. The laws prevent two people of the same sex from getting married, no matter their sexuality. There is no sexuality question or test when it comes to marriage. Two homosexuals can get married, as long as they are of the opposite sex.

    The reason the law discriminates mainly against homosexuals is because homosexuals are the main group that would want to marry someone of the same sex. However, that does not change the fact that the laws discriminate against everyone, not just homosexuals. I, as a heterosexual, am being discriminated against with the laws restricting marriage to only opposite sex couples because should I ever be in the position to choose to remarry in the future (for whatever reason), as of right now, I can only choose to marry a man because I am a woman. My gender, not my sexuality is restricting who I can marry.
    OK, then why did you address me? You argued with me about what the courts have said. However, here, you agree with me that the courts didn't see it your way.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What freedom is being lost?
    In this instance, the federal government is taking away a state's right to decide how they are going to treat marriage.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    In this instance, the federal government is taking away a state's right to decide how they are going to treat marriage.

    You are referring to 1967 right? Loving v. Virginia where the SCOTUS found Civil Marriage was subject to Constitutional guarantees?

    States had laws against interracial marriage, they were ruled unconstitutional.


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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yeah, I wasn't talking to you. You had your chance and failed.
    Yes, we know. You still think the law says "gay people can't get married." It doesn't say that. It says "a man cannot marry a man, and a woman cannot marry a woman." And you still think the court decisions claim the law says the second one.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    You are referring to 1967 right? Loving v. Virginia where the SCOTUS found Civil Marriage was subject to Constitutional guarantees?

    States had laws against interracial marriage, they were ruled unconstitutional.>>>>
    Nope, not referring to that, it's a completely different issue. Those state laws said only some people can marry others of the opposite sex. Now, anyone can marry someone of the opposite sex. No discrimination at all.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    In this instance, the federal government is taking away a state's right to decide how they are going to treat marriage.
    false the state doesn't have the right to violate individual rights and the fed is fixing it
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Nope, not referring to that, it's a completely different issue. Those state laws said only some people can marry others of the opposite sex. Now, anyone can marry someone of the opposite sex. No discrimination at all.
    facts prove you wrong it not a different issue by any means its a equal/civil/human rights issue just like interracial marriage
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    OK, then why did you address me? You argued with me about what the courts have said. However, here, you agree with me that the courts didn't see it your way.
    I didn't say anything about the courts. I said the laws said that.

    The courts did not actually address it. They merely mention that there is a group of people who are being targeted by the discrimination, gays. It is still discrimination based on sex/gender, not sexuality.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Nope, not referring to that, it's a completely different issue. Those state laws said only some people can marry others of the opposite sex. Now, anyone can marry someone of the opposite sex. No discrimination at all.
    Funny thing is that the Commonwealth of Virginia (to paraphrase) called it "No discrimination at all" also because coloreds could marry and whites could marry. Just not someone of a different race.


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