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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, you don't, because the courts specifically reject the gender-based discrimination argument,
    Gender-based classification. If you can't be arsed to read my posts, stop responding.

    edit: Or wait.... you don't know what that means, do you? You think classification and discrimination are the same thing in this context? No wonder you've been confused. Sorry, man. I should have figured this out sooner.

    Classification is a term used describing how the law actually is functioning, and on what basis. Like the Texas Constitution example I posted earlier, it defines marriage as between one man and one woman. This is why I use the term "gender-based classification." The actual legal language refers to gender. The discrimination, of course, is against homosexuals.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Oh, so now you care how it affects me, do you? I though it didn't matter what I thought.
    Seperate but equal? Are you kidding me? I didn't know same sex couples went to seperate schools, water fountains, bathrooms, etc... LOL!
    Really, it's an enumerated right?

    So it doesn't affect you. You're admitting that?
    Ok, so tell me again why you think you have the authority to deny this to someone?
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Oh, so now you care how it affects me, do you? I though it didn't matter what I thought.
    Seperate but equal? Are you kidding me? I didn't know same sex couples went to seperate schools, water fountains, bathrooms, etc... LOL!
    Really, it's an enumerated right?
    No...you STATED it trampled on marriage, you STATED that another view was being "inflicted" on you. I cant care or not care if you dont explain how SSM affects you.

    And civil unions for SSM instead of marriage is the unConstitutional 'separate but equal'... It's a specific example just like the ones you used.

    Others have quoted where marriage is an enumerated right, here in this thread. *I* have based my argument on what several justices have, discrimination. If the govt is going to accord benefits, privileges, and legal rights to marriage, then it is discriminatory to deny gays those same things. That has been judicial opinion.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Gender-based classification. If you can't be arsed to read my posts, stop responding.

    edit: Or wait.... you don't know what that means, do you? You think classification and discrimination are the same thing in this context? No wonder you've been confused. Sorry, man. I should have figured this out sooner.

    Classification is a term used describing how the law actually is functioning, and on what basis. Like the Texas Constitution example I posted earlier, it defines marriage as between one man and one woman. This is why I use the term "gender-based classification." The actual legal language refers to gender. The discrimination, of course, is against homosexuals.
    That's just backpedaling, belied by your follow-up:

    Post a single state's law or constitutional amendment that says homosexuals aren't allowed to get married.
    Especially when you posted it when arguing with someone about marriage laws discriminating against homosexuality.

    Fine, though; you're going to continue to bleat on in your self-imposed ignorance, and your own mental "legal" construct which has nothing to do with what's going on in reality. That's no skin off my nose.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That's just backpedaling, belied by your follow-up:



    Especially when you posted it when arguing with someone about marriage laws discriminating against homosexuality.

    Fine, though; you're going to continue to bleat on in your self-imposed ignorance, and your own mental "legal" construct which has nothing to do with what's going on in reality. That's no skin off my nose.
    And it's no skin off my nose if you continue to ignore the example I've given of the Texas Constitution. It doesn't say homosexuals aren't allowed to get married. It says two men or two women can't get married. Understand now? If not... well, Have a nice day.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do you want to marry someone of the opposite sex though? If no, then no, the rules aren't the same.
    That's because it is not the same thing.

    1) consensual under the law and 2) not harmful to either party. This immediately discards any arguments you may have for marriage between animals and people or people and objects or people and children or insert odd marriages here.
    It also discards any Constitutional protections that you are claiming.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And it's no skin off my nose if you continue to ignore the example I've given of the Texas Constitution.

    It doesn't even matter
    to anything I've said. Oh, the straws you grasp.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post

    It doesn't even matter
    to anything I've said. Oh, the straws you grasp.
    It matters to what ive said, which is the focus of your current obsession.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    All well and good, but I don't like being called a bigot because I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.

    And on a different level, it is an atrocious abuse of states rights when a federal judge's single opinion overturns the decision made by the people of that state. It's not slavery, no one is being forced to hand their life over to someone else.
    Bigots are defined by their beliefs, which are bigoted. I won't call you a bigot but I will say that your beliefs are bigoted. This is amply demonstrated by how you believe that a marriage is between a man and a woman when the facts show that it can also be between a man and a a man, or a woman and a woman.

    And it's too bad if you don't like that

    And as far as states rights goes, it doesn't exist. Governments do not have any rights; only powers. Your belief to the contrary, is contrary to the facts, so this belief of yours is equally bigoted.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It matters to what ive said, which is the focus of your current obsession.
    No, it really doesn't, because it's no different from any other marriage law which was struck down on the specific basis that it disallows homosexuals from marrying.

    What you wish the legal disposition of all this was does not make it the legal disposition of it. Again, I don't know why you choose to stick your fingers in your ears and scream rather than accept the reality of it, but that's your own concern.

    But go ahead; keep claiming that there are no laws which keep homosexuals from marrying, no matter how many courts say otherwise. Really, g'head.
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