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    Is NSA Spying Why Brazil Chose Saab Over Boeing?

    'Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff might be punishing the U.S. for allegedly spying on her government by denying Boeing (BA) a big fighter-jet order. On the other hand, she might just be a smart shopper.

    Brazil signed a $4.5 billion order for Swedish-made Saab (SAABB:SS) Gripen aircraft this week, spurning rival bids from Boeing and France’s Dassault Aviation (AM:FP). The government said its choice was based on the Gripen’s cost and performance, as well as Saab’s promise to transfer key technologies.

    Others, though, saw the decision as payback for recent reports that the U.S. National Security Agency intercepted communications between Rousseff and her staff. “Had the decision been last year, Boeing would have won,” Welber Barral, a former Brazilian trade secretary, told Bloomberg News.'

    NSA Spying to Blame for Brazil Choosing Saab Fighter Jets Over Boeing? - Businessweek

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    Re: Is NSA Spying Why Brazil Chose Saab Over Boeing?

    Maybe it was. How can you know for sure?
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    Re: Is NSA Spying Why Brazil Chose Saab Over Boeing?

    If I am the head of state I would be apprehensive of buying US manufactured planes. US government insists on installing a secret spying device on the planes and that's it.

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    Re: Is NSA Spying Why Brazil Chose Saab Over Boeing?

    Once you are not trusted, people are very reluctant to ever deal with you again, regardless of the subject matter of the deal.

    Americans are forced to endure Obama's dishonest, corrupt administration with the constant lies, other countries are not.

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    Re: Is NSA Spying Why Brazil Chose Saab Over Boeing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Maybe it was. How can you know for sure?
    The N.S.A. would know.

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    Re: Is NSA Spying Why Brazil Chose Saab Over Boeing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Once you are not trusted, people are very reluctant to ever deal with you again, regardless of the subject matter of the deal.

    Americans are forced to endure Obama's dishonest, corrupt administration with the constant lies, other countries are not.
    I'm not purposefully trying to bash my own country here, but how in the world could ANY foreign country trust us after some of the stints we've pulled through the years? A larger question is how do ANY countries trust each other? I suspect that they don't, but deal with one another because they have to. The same applies, I would wager, with a foreign country dealing with the U.S.

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    Re: Is NSA Spying Why Brazil Chose Saab Over Boeing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    I'm not purposefully trying to bash my own country here, but how in the world could ANY foreign country trust us after some of the stints we've pulled through the years? A larger question is how do ANY countries trust each other? I suspect that they don't, but deal with one another because they have to. The same applies, I would wager, with a foreign country dealing with the U.S.
    Jango, that's not bashing your own country, that's bashing the NSA and those who have known and done nothing to reign them in. Much as this has been opened up for god and everybody to see, if America/Americans don't GENUINELY (as Sensenbrenner has said) reform this OOC agency, if Americans don't demand it, if they choose rather to ignore it or focus their angst on Snowden instead, then it's time to bash America, and evacuate the sinking ship.

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    Re: Is NSA Spying Why Brazil Chose Saab Over Boeing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    The N.S.A. would know.
    The NSA wouldn't know what's in the head of the people in Brazil as to why they made their decision.

    And even if they did, we will not know.
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    Re: Is NSA Spying Why Brazil Chose Saab Over Boeing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The NSA wouldn't know what's in the head of the people in Brazil as to why they made their decision.

    And even if they did, we will not know.
    What? That's the whole point. Listening to the phone calls between Brazilians negotiations with other contractors, they DO know what's in their heads.

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    Re: Is NSA Spying Why Brazil Chose Saab Over Boeing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What? That's the whole point. Listening to the phone calls between Brazilians negotiations with other contractors, they DO know what's in their heads.
    You do understand that you just made that up, right? Right?
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