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    Re: Is NSA Spying Why Brazil Chose Saab Over Boeing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You do understand that you just made that up, right? Right?
    Ok, you're right. In THAT regard, the NSA excercised restraint.

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    Re: Is NSA Spying Why Brazil Chose Saab Over Boeing?

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    'Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff might be punishing the U.S. for allegedly spying on her government by denying Boeing (BA) a big fighter-jet order. On the other hand, she might just be a smart shopper.

    Brazil signed a $4.5 billion order for Swedish-made Saab (SAABB:SS) Gripen aircraft this week, spurning rival bids from Boeing and France’s Dassault Aviation (AM:FP). The government said its choice was based on the Gripen’s cost and performance, as well as Saab’s promise to transfer key technologies.

    Others, though, saw the decision as payback for recent reports that the U.S. National Security Agency intercepted communications between Rousseff and her staff. “Had the decision been last year, Boeing would have won,” Welber Barral, a former Brazilian trade secretary, told Bloomberg News.'

    NSA Spying to Blame for Brazil Choosing Saab Fighter Jets Over Boeing? - Businessweek
    Jim Sensenbrenner said its not just the constitution and American civil liberties that are being hurt by our out of control NSA, but the US economy. Perhaps this 4-5 billion dollar loss is just the kind of thing he was talking about.

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    Re: Is NSA Spying Why Brazil Chose Saab Over Boeing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The NSA wouldn't know what's in the head of the people in Brazil as to why they made their decision.

    And even if they did, we will not know.
    Who said the N.S.A. were able to use telepathy?

    There are other means to achieve the ends, ever hear of the S.C.S.?

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    Re: Is NSA Spying Why Brazil Chose Saab Over Boeing?

    its a 'saab' story for sweden but a 'sob' story for boeing!

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    Re: Is NSA Spying Why Brazil Chose Saab Over Boeing?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff might be punishing the U.S. for allegedly spying on her government by denying Boeing (BA) a big fighter-jet order. On the other hand, she might just be a smart shopper.

    Brazil signed a $4.5 billion order for Swedish-made Saab (SAABB:SS) Gripen aircraft this week, spurning rival bids from Boeing and France’s Dassault Aviation (AM:FP). The government said its choice was based on the Gripen’s cost and performance, as well as Saab’s promise to transfer key technologies.

    Others, though, saw the decision as payback for recent reports that the U.S. National Security Agency intercepted communications between Rousseff and her staff. “Had the decision been last year, Boeing would have won,” Welber Barral, a former Brazilian trade secretary, told Bloomberg News.'

    NSA Spying to Blame for Brazil Choosing Saab Fighter Jets Over Boeing? - Businessweek
    There are a lot of people who are saying Brazil is using this as an excuse to go with Saab because they really don't care about the acquisition and wanted cover for picking the cheapest possible option. Saab had the lowest bid.

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    Re: Is NSA Spying Why Brazil Chose Saab Over Boeing?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff might be punishing the U.S. for allegedly spying on her government by denying Boeing (BA) a big fighter-jet order. On the other hand, she might just be a smart shopper.

    Brazil signed a $4.5 billion order for Swedish-made Saab (SAABB:SS) Gripen aircraft this week, spurning rival bids from Boeing and France’s Dassault Aviation (AM:FP). The government said its choice was based on the Gripen’s cost and performance, as well as Saab’s promise to transfer key technologies.

    Others, though, saw the decision as payback for recent reports that the U.S. National Security Agency intercepted communications between Rousseff and her staff. “Had the decision been last year, Boeing would have won,” Welber Barral, a former Brazilian trade secretary, told Bloomberg News.'

    NSA Spying to Blame for Brazil Choosing Saab Fighter Jets Over Boeing? - Businessweek
    Two very good reasons to choose Swedish over American - cheaper than the American competition and SAAB promised to hand over key technology. I highly doubt the SAAB's performance would be a threat to the American aircraft and if I were American I wouldn't want to be handing over key technology to anyone else.

    I don't think the NSA or Obama are a huge part of the decision here.

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    Re: Is NSA Spying Why Brazil Chose Saab Over Boeing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Two very good reasons to choose Swedish over American - cheaper than the American competition and SAAB promised to hand over key technology. I highly doubt the SAAB's performance would be a threat to the American aircraft and if I were American I wouldn't want to be handing over key technology to anyone else.

    I don't think the NSA or Obama are a huge part of the decision here.
    From those I've spoken to who are more knowledgeable on these subjects than I am they maintain that the government was never very enthusiastic about this acquisition effort and that the NSA scandal provided them with an excuse to go with the cheapest possible option.

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    Re: Is NSA Spying Why Brazil Chose Saab Over Boeing?

    Considering the financial & corruption scandals in Brazil at the moment, the government was probably very ready to play the "outraged innocent" card too and then make a big show of turning down the American deal.

    Easy to blame the US here and play to the home audience on all sorts of levels at the same time.

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    Re: Is NSA Spying Why Brazil Chose Saab Over Boeing?

    Two points:

    1) I see the chances of Brazil engaging in air combat as pretty slim, so which fighter is chosen seems to be irrelevant anyway, and...

    2) Why do I feel like the "elephant in the room" is that everybody spies on everybody, and everybody knows it, so even pretending to be shocked and/or outraged is just ludicrous.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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