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    Re: Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be 'hanged' if convicted of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    There's a lot of people in the USA who are fine with the federal government engaging in unlimited spying on their citizens without cause. I bet that number coincides with the number of people who have never read 1984.
    I donít see what people are that upset about. The IRS already knows almost every Americanís financial status, banks report any large amount of cash withdrawn or deposited. With Obamacare government will know more and more about your health. Social Security Admin already does if you are drawing disability. Phone records are available from the phone company as to who you called and who called you. Use a cell phone, that goes over the air and can easily be picked up by anyone with just a little knowledge about electronics. Very easy to do. Criminal records are a matter of public record, even a private number or unlisted number can be had for a couple of dollars to one of these internet white pages snooper. Cookies and the like keep track exactly what you do on the internet. I could go on and on, but what I said above is just the tip of the iceberg.

    Big brother has been here a very long time. Big brother is born of big government, a government that provides security to you in the form of programs. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare payments, insurance benefits, disability benefits, VA benefits, Subsidies for Obamacare and on and on. Why get upset over the NSA, we have already gave the government more than enough information for them to know all about us. This is the price we pay for security and government giving us that security. Remember the old slogan, ďThose who choose security over liberty, will soon have neither. Think about it.

    A government powerful enough to give us all these benefits, is also powerful enough to take them all away.
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    Re: Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be 'hanged' if convicted of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' Monte. I can understand the point with NASA and other Americans. But this doesn't give Snowden card blanche to wheel and deal with foreign countries and what we do.....when it comes to any of them.

    No one is even saying that anything with the NSA should be overlooked and that there should be answers and consequences.

    But this changes nothing about Snowden putting himself into the roll of traitor.
    Good morning to you MMC. Obviously it's debatable whether or not Snowden is a "traitor" there's differences of opinion here as well as amongst people in professional and official positions across the country. For me the egregious sins of the NSA trump anything that Edward Snowden could do and I would hate to see the momentum against the NSA get lost on and redirected towards Edward Snowden.

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    Re: Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be 'hanged' if convicted of treason

    This thread has me seriously considering throwing my cell phone away and having a land line installed. At the very least I should leave the cell at home or turn it off except for emergencies.

    I may be harder to get a hold of in my undisclosed locations, but my peace of mind can be restored. I already use The Onion Router to make purchases or to spy on the government.

    Spy vs. Spy, you spooks.

    Snowden isn't going to be executed. Can you say martyr?

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    Re: Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be 'hanged' if convicted of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Good morning to you MMC. Obviously it's debatable whether or not Snowden is a "traitor" there's differences of opinion here as well as amongst people in professional and official positions across the country. For me the egregious sins of the NSA trump anything that Edward Snowden could do and I would hate to see the momentum against the NSA get lost on and redirected towards Edward Snowden.
    Even most of the US Armed Forces Intel consider it now treason......moreover he said the US is preventing him from speaking out. Nothing stopped him from Printing up a book. Which would have made a Number one Best Seller. As it would have been published. So on that front.....that is nothing more than excuse.

    Now of course with what he releases. Could lead back to sources. Which then Puts some people at High risk. There is no getting round that point.

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    Re: Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be 'hanged' if convicted of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Even most of the US Armed Forces Intel consider it now treason......moreover he said the US is preventing him from speaking out. Nothing stopped him from Printing up a book. Which would have made a Number one Best Seller. As it would have been published. So on that front.....that is nothing more than excuse.

    Now of course with what he releases. Could lead back to sources. Which then Puts some people at High risk. There is no getting round that point.
    Again MMC. My concern here is attention being drawn away from NSA and focused on Snowden. They would love nothing more. And, while I have no interest in anyone being in danger, for me, I want to see this NSA scandal come to a head and be TRULY dealt with, AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE HEALS OF THE CHURCH REPORT, and wasn't.

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    Re: Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be 'hanged' if convicted of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Even most of the US Armed Forces Intel consider it now treason......moreover he said the US is preventing him from speaking out. Nothing stopped him from Printing up a book. Which would have made a Number one Best Seller. As it would have been published. So on that front.....that is nothing more than excuse.

    Now of course with what he releases. Could lead back to sources. Which then Puts some people at High risk. There is no getting round that point.
    Morning MMC, yes close to all military types both active and civilian consider what Snowden did as treasonous. There is really no debate among them. Americans for the most party have been choosing security over liberty ever since FDR and this is just another price we have to pay for that security. The IRS knows pretty much what it wants about our financial status and transactions. Obamacare is providing the government with all our health problems, Phone companies know who we call and who calls us and is readily available to any one with a couple of dollars for one of these internet companies. Criminal records are a mater of public record, cash deposits and withdrawals over a certain amount is reported to the government by banks, Cookies on the internet keep track of our habits while we are on it along with other types of trackers.

    Cell phones are over the air devices and anyone with a bit of electronic knowledge can easily pick them up and know what you are saying. All of this is the price we pay for big government, for the benefits and programs big government provides. For the security we know today and if we want more, the government will know more and more about us as a result. It is the age we live in.

    To stop all of this means to give up all these programs and Americans will not stand for that. So privacy is really a non-issue when it comes to benefits and government control of our daily lives. One walks hand in hand with the other. NSA spying, no big deal. All that info is easily available by other means.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be 'hanged' if convicted of treason

    NSA spying "no big deal". DEAR LORD, the Church committees report to congress, no big deal.

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    Re: Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be 'hanged' if convicted of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Morning MMC, yes close to all military types both active and civilian consider what Snowden did as treasonous. There is really no debate among them. Americans for the most party have been choosing security over liberty ever since FDR and this is just another price we have to pay for that security. The IRS knows pretty much what it wants about our financial status and transactions. Obamacare is providing the government with all our health problems, Phone companies know who we call and who calls us and is readily available to any one with a couple of dollars for one of these internet companies. Criminal records are a mater of public record, cash deposits and withdrawals over a certain amount is reported to the government by banks, Cookies on the internet keep track of our habits while we are on it along with other types of trackers.

    Cell phones are over the air devices and anyone with a bit of electronic knowledge can easily pick them up and know what you are saying. All of this is the price we pay for big government, for the benefits and programs big government provides. For the security we know today and if we want more, the government will know more and more about us as a result. It is the age we live in.

    To stop all of this means to give up all these programs and Americans will not stand for that. So privacy is really a non-issue when it comes to benefits and government control of our daily lives. One walks hand in hand with the other. NSA spying, no big deal. All that info is easily available by other means.

    Mornin Pero. Yeah I don't think anyone will be dropping the NSA issue. Now it will end up going in front of the SCOTUS and they will make a decision. Already recommendations are being made. I mentioned the strategy that has to be taken.....course my concern would also be with who is running the NSA.

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    Re: Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be 'hanged' if convicted of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin Pero. Yeah I don't think anyone will be dropping the NSA issue. Now it will end up going in front of the SCOTUS and they will make a decision. Already recommendations are being made. I mentioned the strategy that has to be taken.....course my concern would also be with who is running the NSA.
    As much stuff the government has on each individual, does the NSA keeping track of phone numbers really mean much of anything? Think of how much information we voluntarily give to the government for this or that program or benefit. To prevent fraud and abuses to these programs and benefits means the government must know more and more about you. The vast majority of people in America would be shocked to find out exactly how much the government knows about each individual and that knowledge is growing by leaps and bounds.

    As I said before, it is all part of big government, a growing big government that people want to take care of them. It was the peoples choice, they chose 1984 in order to feel safe and secure in their everyday life. What is the difference if the agency is NSA, FBI, IRS, HHS, Social Security Bureau, Treasury, INS, BTF and perhaps hundreds more. All these people have something on you and gathered information on you at sometime or another. It was our choice to feel secure in our own lives.

    If this bothers some people, then they ought to start thinking about shrinking government and all the programs and benefits that is heaped upon them by that government.
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    Re: Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be 'hanged' if convicted of treason

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...nowden/282506/


    Obama's Panel: A Rebuke to the NSA, Vindication for Edward Snowden

    A panel President Obama convened to assess the National Security Agency in the wake of Edward Snowden's leaks has issued a 308-page report with this message: To protect privacy, civil liberties, and security, the NSA ought to be reformed.
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