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    Re: Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be 'hanged' if convicted of treason

    See the thing here is.....Putin told him he could stay. As long as he didn't release anything else from Russia showing his Anti Americanism. This isn't good enough for the Snowman. Plus he doesn't want Russia always watching him. Plus he hasn't figured out yet that no matter where he would go. He would be under watch for the rest of his life. So he wants to make the US pay for making his life difficult. Now once stepping into this area.....he no longer was about exposing the NSA and what they did. Its about him getting back at the US. Which does place our people at Risk out there even more than ever before.


    Snowden to testify to panel of European Parliament

    Snowden has agreed to testify, via teleconference, before a civil liberties committee of the European Parliament, sources in the Parliament say.

    Some within the Parliament opposed the invitation, but the majority supported the idea, the sources said. The testimony may take place in January, they said.

    It's unsure whether Snowden would testify live or would be pre-recorded, the sources said, adding that his testimony is expected to cover all aspects of NSA surveillance internationally.....snip~


    Snowden's open letter offers to help Brazil look into NSA surveillance - CNN.com





    Soon it will be time for the Snowman to accept.....that hell on the earth. Cannot be stopped by freezing it over.

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    Re: Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be 'hanged' if convicted of treason

    As a Senate candidate in 2003, Barack Obama called the PATRIOT Act "shoddy and dangerous." Once safely in power, Obama started demonstrating his remarkable capacity for "growing in office" -- expanding federal powers while piously moralizing about their potential abuse.

    As a senator, he voted to reauthorize the surveillance law in 2006; and as president, signed another PATRIOT renewal from Europe via presidential autopen in 2011.

    Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., has long warned of a "secret PATRIOT Act" -- a classified interpretation of the law that allows the administration to undertake massive data collection on American citizens.

    Last week, we got a glimpse of what he meant, when a National Security Agency contractor revealed that the agency has assembled a database of at least seven years' worth of Verizon customers' call records -- a practice that apparently extends to other carriers.


    http://washingtonexaminer.com/gene-h...rticle/2531527

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    Re: Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be 'hanged' if convicted of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    If you think Brazil only spied on our people in just their country.....then you are deceiving yourself.

    Snowden has gone beyond pointing out what the NSA is doing wrong with its own Citizens.....2 wrongs don't make it Right.
    We must know, at the same time, that capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left such is the capability to monitor everything—telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide.

    If this government ever became a tyrant, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee

    This is no joking matter!! Bush joked about being a dictator and now many are calling Obama's, the imperial presidency.
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    Re: Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be 'hanged' if convicted of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not quite sure what you mean by that MMC? I'm certainly not interested in personal threats to NSA employees and their families. I want, no demand that our government listen to the people across the board that are raising hell about this and STOP the NSA as an agency from this bull****. I'm not afraid of the citizens (or the government for that matter) of Brazil, and DO NOT APPRECIATE the NSA's dragnet surveillance of their phones, e-mails and whatever else they're snooping on. That's just me man.

    We are where we are today because nobody heeded senator Church's recommendations all those years ago!

    Thirty years ago, on April 26, 1976, the United States Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, delivered its final report detailing the lawlessness of U.S. intelligence agencies and the need for Congress to reassert the Constitutional system of checks and balances to order to rein in the cloak-and-dagger excesses of the executive branch of the federal government.

    The committee, mercifully referred to by the last name of its chair, U.S. Senator Frank Church, D-Idaho, produced fourteen reports on the formation of U.S. intelligence agencies, the manner in which they had and were continuing to operate, and the abuses of law and of power -- up to and including murder -- committed by these agencies in Chile, the Congo, Cuba, Vietnam and other nations that experienced the attention of U.S. authorities in the Cold War era.


    Oh did you view that, in such a way Monte? What courts and the Limelight aren't enough for you. Pics of their wives and daughters, friends, and co-workers wont make the All viewing eye? They wont be on every news channel out there. Open to subject and ridicule? Won't affect their lives at all huh? Well we can see how that could be viewed as personal threats to NSA employees and their families.....huh?

    Perhaps people should redefine the Word Threat.....and all should be taught the clear meaning of it. Then none can become cornfuzzled.

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    Re: Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be 'hanged' if convicted of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Oh did you view that, in such a way Monte? What courts and the Limelight aren't enough for you. Pics of their wives and daughters, friends, and co-workers wont make the All viewing eye? They wont be on every news channel out there. Open to subject and ridicule? Won't affect their lives at all huh? Well we can see how that could be viewed as personal threats to NSA employees and their families.....huh?

    Perhaps people should redefine the Word Threat.....and all should be taught the clear meaning of it. Then none can become cornfuzzled.
    Guess I'm cornfuzzled. What do you mean MMC?

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    Re: Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be 'hanged' if convicted of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Guess I'm cornfuzzled. What do you mean MMC?


    I guess so my brutha.....That's what was meant by life being made difficult for them.....then just think what any conviction means. 10 times worse for all.

    Yet all of this.....has nothing to do with Snowden wheeling and dealing with other Foreign Countries. That is a separate issue and now crosses the line as well as endangers others lives.

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    Re: Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be 'hanged' if convicted of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Snowden didn't "out" Obama. He "outed" our SIGINT capability. The Obama administration may have been harmed by his revelations, but their impact was on our security infrastructure, and ability to ensure that Presidents make decisions with the most information possible. The result of Snowden's actions are that the U.S. choices are constrained, and our President is less well served in attempting to make foreign policy.

    I don't like the Presidents' foreign policy (inasmuch as I am able to discern one), and I think he's a naif. But I wouldn't want to reduce the effectiveness of the information flows to him in making that foreign policy; think how much worse he will be when he knows even less.

    Snowden's actions weren't "cute" because they caused trouble for the "most transparent administration ever" any more than the John Walker Lindh's taking up arms against his countrymen was "cute" because it happened in the context of a President who ran foreswearing nation-building.
    I'm not going to defend my position with my usual ardor because my emotions are mixed.

    I'm distressed with the sneakiness of the government in general and I'm stunned that Obama, who I confidently voted for in 2008, has been so furtive and obfuscational when I expected the exact opposite. So, while I don't subscribe to the Obama is evil notion, I'm exhibiting my inner mean streak by appreciating his embarrassment.

    Now, that's not a nice way to feel and I'm a little embarrassed for myself. I'm an imperfect person. But Snowden has my sympathy, what can I do?


    there is no such word as obfuscational™. Now there is.

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    Re: Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be 'hanged' if convicted of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I guess so my brutha.....That's what was meant by life being made difficult for them.....then just think what any conviction means. 10 times worse for all.

    Yet all of this.....has nothing to do with Snowden wheeling and dealing with other Foreign Countries. That is a separate issue and now crosses the line as well as endangers others lives.
    It's never been about Snowden for me brutha. This has been about the NSA and Me, and I'm pissed. Tell you what MMC. Look at the link and read (if you skipped over it) what senator Church put in his report to congress, god damn it, he was speaking in the present tense of technological capabilities. There's NO excuse for what has transpired in the past 37 years. This is a direct result of failure and corruption on the part of those who had both the power and the authority to keep the NSA on the short leash and didn't as well as a heaping tablespoon of apathy on the part of the American public. Lets see now if Americans still know how to be Americans or whether we're going to scapegoat the NSA on the shoulders of Snowden and watch this WAY too powerful agency go on to choke the last breath out of American liberty!

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    Re: Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be 'hanged' if convicted of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I'm not going to defend my position with my usual ardor because my emotions are mixed.

    I'm distressed with the sneakiness of the government in general and I'm stunned that Obama, who I confidently voted for in 2008, has been so furtive and obfuscational when I expected the exact opposite. So, while I don't subscribe to the Obama is evil notion, I'm exhibiting my inner mean streak by appreciating his embarrassment.

    Now, that's not a nice way to feel and I'm a little embarrassed for myself. I'm an imperfect person. But Snowden has my sympathy, what can I do?


    there is no such word as obfuscational™. Now there is.
    My sentiments toward Obama in 08' as well. MANY Americans are having buyers remorse and are feeling betrayed. Well, that's because they have been. For me, Obama's comments about the emerging surveillance state both before he was senator, his comments on the subject while he was senator as well as while he was a candidate on the campaign trail gave me a (now obviously false) sense of confidence that we were going to see some big changes. Yeah, I was one of the guys that believed him. Not only was he lying through his teeth to ME about reforming it, it has become hugely worse under his watch and I'll stop talking right there so the SS doesn't come knocking on my door.

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    Re: Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be 'hanged' if convicted of treason

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's never been about Snowden for me brutha. This has been about the NSA and Me, and I'm pissed. Tell you what MMC. Look at the link and read (if you skipped over it) what senator Church put in his report to congress, god damn it, he was speaking in the present tense of technological capabilities. There's NO excuse for what has transpired in the past 37 years. This is a direct result of failure and corruption on the part of those who had both the power and the authority to keep the NSA on the short leash and didn't as well as a heaping tablespoon of apathy on the part of the American public. Lets see now if Americans still know how to be Americans or whether we're going to scapegoat the NSA on the shoulders of Snowden and watch this WAY too powerful agency go on to choke the last breath out of American liberty!
    Mornin' Monte. I can understand the point with NASA and other Americans. But this doesn't give Snowden card blanche to wheel and deal with foreign countries and what we do.....when it comes to any of them.

    No one is even saying that anything with the NSA should be overlooked and that there should be answers and consequences.

    But this changes nothing about Snowden putting himself into the roll of traitor.

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