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'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E (W: 742)

Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

No. Nothing in his reinstatement shows you were wrong. But you were still wrong.

Not on any count was I wrong.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

No. Nothing in his reinstatement shows you were wrong. But you were still wrong.

The following sentence applies to your arguments here in this thread.

You can say whatever you want, including that gay people are sinful and full of "murder, envy, strife, hatred" and are in the same league as those who enjoy being penetrated by barnyard animals and that black people were "happy" and were not "singing the blues" when Jim Crow laws ruled America, and as long as you later tack on "I love all of humanity" and I would "never incite or encourage hate" and throw around the word "tolerance," and as long as there's enough money and publicity swirling and more ready to be made, you will face absolutely no consequences and if anything you'll be celebrated as a hero and lauded as an icon of freedom -- some will even go so far as to call you the "Rosa Parks" of our generation -- while the people you were talking about will still be vilified and will have to fight even harder against society's belief that they are -- even in the 21st century, even in a country that is not supposed to be ruled by religion or heartless, hateful zealots -- at their very core all of those vile and (let it be said once and for all) patently untrue things that you said about them.
Here's Everything We Learned From the Duck Dynasty Controversy Summed Up in Just One Sentence | Noah Michelson
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

It's quite possible you aren't clued in as much as you think you are. Peter. I've spent a few years in Europe and they'll happily debate Americans about what's really going on in America, despite them never having set foot there. And yet, ironically, it is also the Europeans who call Americans "arrogant".

PeteEU also quotes movies as reliable sources and it only serves to embarrass the poster..

But I am not using movie references, I am using historical references from websites about the struggle of African Americans for human rights.

And I am not going to get into a discussion about why some Europeans find some Americans arrogant and vice versa, it is a useless and non-productive discussion with people wrong on both sides of that discussion IMHO.

Some Europeans might say we know how it feels to be without human rights and freedom. A lot of Europeans and Americans died because of the Nazi's taking over Europe and enslaving and dehumanizing scores upon scores of Dutch citizens. Nobody thrives when they are without basic human rights and security of being. We in Europe felt that through Hitler and his Germans, we hated it and a lot of people died to fight for their freedom, they too were willing to lay down their lives for possible freedom for their loved ones.

A lot of African Americans who risked their life for simple things like sitting on the bus where you want, for having the right to vote and many more things like that did not think that their lives before the Jim Crow laws were eradicated, were happy lives. No matter how many songs they were singing or how many times they went to church.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

But I am not using movie references, I am using historical references from websites about the struggle of African Americans for human rights.

And I am not going to get into a discussion about why some Europeans find some Americans arrogant and vice versa, it is a useless and non-productive discussion with people wrong on both sides of that discussion IMHO.

Some Europeans might say we know how it feels to be without human rights and freedom. A lot of Europeans and Americans died because of the Nazi's taking over Europe and enslaving and dehumanizing scores upon scores of Dutch citizens. Nobody thrives when they are without basic human rights and security of being. We in Europe felt that through Hitler and his Germans, we hated it and a lot of people died to fight for their freedom, they too were willing to lay down their lives for possible freedom for their loved ones.

A lot of African Americans who risked their life for simple things like sitting on the bus where you want, for having the right to vote and many more things like that did not think that their lives before the Jim Crow laws were eradicated, were happy lives. No matter how many songs they were singing or how many times they went to church.

Mr. King, do you think that every town, every community, every city, every corner of America in the 60s were as deplorable as the most publicized famous images of the times? Because if so you are being willfully ignorant at best, and wholly dishonest at worst.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Mr. King, do you think that every town, every community, every city, every corner of America in the 60s were as deplorable as the most publicized famous images of the times? Because if so you are being willfully ignorant at best, and wholly dishonest at worst.

He just doesn't know but, like most Europeans, he thinks he knows. He's being honest from his European point of view.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Because the majority of them support illicit same sex marriage and they don't want anyone speaking out that homosexual sin is wrong.

Same sex marriage is not illicit, it may have been forbidden on the national level but it is not illegal as much as it is impossible to wed with a same sex partner on the National Federal level. In quite some states it is perfectly legal to be married to a same-sex partner.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Same sex marriage is not illicit, it may have been forbidden on the national level but it is not illegal as much as it is impossible to wed with a same sex partner on the National Federal level. In quite some states it is perfectly legal to be married to a same-sex partner.

It's illicit in the eyes of God.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Mr. King, do you think that every town, every community, every city, every corner of America in the 60s were as deplorable as the most publicized famous images of the times? Because if so you are being willfully ignorant at best, and wholly dishonest at worst.

Do I think every town was as bad as the worst towns? No, I did not state that but I do know that in that era segregation was common good and violence against blacks was common place.

Mr. J-Mac, it is also incredibly ignorant to claim that singing in the fields, singing in church/being religious is a sign of being happy. And what is really ignorant and possibly wholly dishonest is to claim that in those days (because they sang, prayed, etc.) they were happier than after they got human rights.

Because having your human rights restored is the most important thing ever. The American patriots fought the British to get their freedom and human rights. The shot heard round the world, the fight for freedom and the war that freed you from the British. Would you want the old days back? No, and neither would African Americans. They with almost certainty do not think that the "good old segregated Jim Crow days were better than after they got their civil rights".
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

It's illicit in the eyes of God.

So what, they are not demanding a church wedding but the same marriage rights that straight couples has and there is no reason for them to get hitched in a non religious ceremony. Just because you have made weddings something religious does not mean it has to be or should be.

In the Netherlands we do not have this issue because marriage is firstly a civil agreement and after you are married in front of a city registrar you can go to church and get a religious blessing. Even our prince royal and his wife first had to go to a city official to get married and only after that did they marry in front of a priest.

Just because you and other religious people have issue with homosexuality means absolutely nothing IMHO because the institution of marriage is a civil law arrangement and should be "religion free".
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

So what, they are not demanding a church wedding but the same marriage rights that straight couples has and there is no reason for them to get hitched in a non religious ceremony. Just because you have made weddings something religious does not mean it has to be or should be.

In the Netherlands we do not have this issue because marriage is firstly a civil agreement and after you are married in front of a city registrar you can go to church and get a religious blessing. Even our prince royal and his wife first had to go to a city official to get married and only after that did they marry in front of a priest.

Just because you and other religious people have issue with homosexuality means absolutely nothing IMHO because the institution of marriage is a civil law arrangement and should be "religion free".

Well, in America, churches have a lot to say about who gets married in them.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Since when have the arch-right-ists owned Limbaugh?.As for Rushbo, I'm sure he's working on some new material to defend and promote the TEA-wings latest star..I'll be looking for what you guys think starting with Sunday's political shows .

#1: Limbaugh has been referred to many times in various posts here at DP as the head of the GOP.

#2: I'm not part of a group of "you guys."

#3: I'm not a guy.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Yes, Emmett Till was one of those happy people who lost his life for the horrible crime of flirting or touching a white woman.

Or all the other blacks who were killed, beaten or abused by member of the KKK or other hateful whites. And yes, it is incredibly difficult to believe that in a part of the US in which you could get lynched for whistling at a white woman blacks were "happy".

None of which applies, though... So far as I could tell, he was saying "I didn't see any angry/upset black people....personally".

He wasn't saying nothing bad happened, just that he didn't see any.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

#1: Limbaugh has been referred to many times in various posts here at DP as the head of the GOP.
But not by right-ists, they run from their master Rushbo .

#2: I'm not part of a group of "you guys."
Cons run from those who represent them when the **** gets too deep .
#3: I'm not a guy.
As in you understood, but you chose to say you didn't .
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Non-responsive crap. You can do better.

I hope.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

But not by right-ists, they run from their master Rushbo .
True. Even though it's common knowledge that anyone running for GOP national office has to kiss Rush's ring, no one on the Right wants to admit he is the defacto party boss.


Cons run from those who represent them when the **** gets too deep .
Yep...see haw many distanced themselves from Bush and the GOp in 2008, declaring themselves to be either in the Tea Party or Libertarian.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

True. Even though it's common knowledge that anyone running for GOP national office has to kiss Rush's ring, no one on the Right wants to admit he is the de facto party boss.
I never had that impression.

Actually though, I'd like to see the GOP do everything Limbaugh tells them to for 1 year, just to see how it turns out.

I mean, according to Limbaugh, everything would be great for the GOP then...but I'm not so sure.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

I never had that impression.

Actually though, I'd like to see the GOP do everything Limbaugh tells them to for 1 year, just to see how it turns out.

I mean, according to Limbaugh, this would be great for the GOP then...but I'm not so sure.
When Steele broke wind and dared to go against Rush he was quick to apologize and kiss Limbaugh's ass.
Rush Limbaugh attacks Michael Steele and then Steele apologizes to RushBo. | Crooks and Liars

I still think Rush is why the GOP has sucked so bad for the past decade, maybe even more.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

None of which applies, though... So far as I could tell, he was saying "I didn't see any angry/upset black people....personally".

He wasn't saying nothing bad happened, just that he didn't see any.

The problem isn't that he said that he didn't personally see anything bad at that time, the problem is that he is claiming that before they got civil rights that black people were singing and godly and they were happy (aka not singing the blues). And he is claiming from his white point of view. He might have gotten on reasonably or even perfectly well with blacks in that day and age but to claim that they were happier and better off?

This event (that I am posting here now) was a mere 3 decades before Robertson was born:

Before the 17-year old could be sentenced, and with little or no resistance offered by any of the various legal entities in the courthouse, several hundred of the onlookers (some brandishing weapons) rushed Washington and carried him out the doors. Outside, a larger crowd waited to beat and castrate him. A chain was thrown around Washington’s neck, and he was dragged to the town square, where he met an immense crowd as well as the pile of dry goods boxes that was to be his end.

By some estimates, up to 15,000 (mostly white, though not exclusively white) people watched the horrible events unfold; without question, Waco’s mayor as well as several other public officials watched from their second-story perch at town hall on one side of the square. Washington was tossed onto the boxes and coal oil was poured over him. The other end of the chain was thrown over what has become known as the Hanging Tree, and the fuel below Washington’s feet was set ablaze. Immersed in the flames, he attempted to climb the blisteringly hot chain multiple times, each time to be lowered back into the cauldron. It’s unclear how long Washington was alive, but the event lasted more than an hour, after which his fingers and teeth were claimed as souvenirs, his body parts were separated from the torso, and the remains of Washington were dumped in a bag so they might be dragged once more through the Waco streets.

ExecutedToday.com » 1916: Jesse Washington lynched after conviction

Upon reaching the city hall grounds, the leaders of the mob threw Washington onto a pile of dry goods boxes under a tree and poured coal oil over his body. The chain around Washington's neck was thrown over a limb of the tree, and several men lowered his body onto the pile of combustibles and ignited a fire. An observer wrote:

"Washington was beaten with shovels and bricks (...) was castrated, and his ears were cut off. A tree supported the iron chain that lifted him above the fire (...) Wailing, the boy attempted to climb up the skillet hot chain. For this, the men cut off his fingers."

Two hours later, some men placed the burned corpse in a cloth bag and pulled the bundle behind an automobile to Robinson, where they hung the sack from a pole in front of a blacksmith's shop for public viewing.

Jesse Washington | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers


The events written about here are extremes and not the common practice but violence against blacks in the young years of Robertson were rarely prosecuted. On the other hand blacks were guilty when arrested (almost always) and the innocent until proven otherwise was virtually never applicable to black Americans in the South.

It is not that Robertson didn't see anything wrong, but he makes a conclusion based on his assumptions and that is a very bad basis for making such sweeping claims.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

That's one incident - I haven't seen anything that tells me the entire GOP is doing whatever Limbaugh tells them to.

I'm not sure how much is out there and how much he really wields, but Media Matters seems to think it's a lot.

Limbaugh's Unrivaled Influence On Republican Politics | Blog | Media Matters for America

For the last two decades, Republican politicians -- from presidents to long-shot congressional candidates -- have sought and received enthusiastic support from Rush Limbaugh. And Limbaugh, in his role as kingmaker, has essentially become a one-man wing of the Republican establishment.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

It's illicit in the eyes of God.

If you hate gay people, just hate them move on and embrace your bigotry. Don't hide behind the God and the bible.
 
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