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'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E (W: 742)

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Let me see if I'm onboard here: Robertson, grew up in the south, live around black folks, worked with black folks, but he don't know ****. You watched Mississippi Burning and you're an expert on American blacks in the south--deep south?

All I can say to that, is: :lamo

I did not say that I am an expert because I watched that movie, but from the evidence written down by actual African Americans people can find the truth about how black Americans were treated in the South, including Louisiana.

Although at mid-century, politics in the South remained predominantly 'white folk's business,' a segregationist reaction was prompted by NAACP victories in the courts along with an increase in black voter registration. To stem further increases, the Deep South states used two maneuvers in tandem: one tightened registration requirements, while the other augmented the discretion of local registrars. Tightening registration requirements enabled states to exclude a disproportionate number of blacks by even-handed application of race-silent criteria. Augmenting the discretion of registrars enabled states to (1) cheat on behalf of whites who would otherwise have been excluded by the elevated criteria and (2) exclude blacks who, if fairly evaluated, could satisfy the new standards.

In some areas, officials did more than slow or stop black progress; they rolled it back. In Louisiana, for instance, parish registrars were encouraged by a legislative committee to search the registration applications of Negroes for errors that could be used as the basis for revoking registration. Applying this method, registrars removed ten to eleven thousand blacks from voting rolls in twelve parishes between 1956 and 1957.

Accompanying the reaction of state governments were responses by private persons and organizations. A new group, the White Citizen's Council, engaged in a campaign to 'persuade' blacks who had registered to strike their names 'voluntarily' from the voting roles. In Sunflower County, Mississippi, the Council's efforts caused black registration to fall from 114 to zero within a matter of months.

Economic coercion played an important role in dissuading blacks from voting or exercising other rights purportedly guaranteed by the Constitution. Also influential was the willingness and ability of whites to resort to violence in defense of the old order. Between 1955 and 1959, 210 incidents of racial violence were recorded in the eleven states of the Old Confederacy. This catalogue of terror included six murders, twenty-nine assaults with firearms, forty-four beatings, and sixty bombings. To put the matter more concretely it involved a raid by more than a hundred sheeted men into the black section of Maplesville, Alabama, that left six Negroes injured . . . the castration of a Negro handyman in Birmingham, Alabama, as part of a Klan ceremony . . . the flogging of a white school teacher in Camden, South Carolina, because he had allegedly made a favorable reference to desegregation . . . the shotgun displayed by a robed Klansman as a motorcade of some one hundred cars drove through a Negro residential section in Summerville, Georgia . . . the dynamiting of a white physician's home in Gaffney, South Carolina, because the physician's wife had written an article favoring racial justice . . . the Negro woman who withdrew her suit against a North Carolina school board after receiving threats that her children would never return if they attended the white school . . . [and] the flogging of a white sawmill worker in Stanton, Alabama, because he was accused of 'associating too freely with Negroes.'

Such was the state of affairs in the South at mid-century.

The Legal Status of the Southern Negro in 1955

The Louisiana Literacy Test and How It Worked to Deny Black Voting Rights

You can find a copy of the Louisiana Literacy test online here. How it works at one level was very simple. Every white applicant passed the test and, every African-American applicant failed. How is this possible? Here's how:

- Any spelling error by an African-American applicant would be deemed sufficient by the white parish registrars to fail the candidate, but not for white applicants.

- Punctuation errors were treated the same: failure for Blacks, but not for whites.

- Circling any of the words "Mr." or "Mrs." or "Miss" instead of underlining the correct word would be grounds for failing an African-American applicant, but not for whites.

When it came to interpreting a provision of the US Constitution, Black applicants would be asked to interpret the "full faith and credit" clause of Article IV, section 1 of the US Constitution or the "privileges and immunities" clause. But not for whites, they would be asked to explain the meaning of the "freedom of speech or freedom of religion" provisions of the First Amendment.

Then the test — and how it was graded and administered — got even more insidious. Check out question 21. It says: "Spell backwards, forwards". If a Black person spelled "backwards" but omitted the comma, he/she would be flunked. If a Black person spelled "backwards," he/she would be flunked. If a Black person asked why, he/she would be told either "you forgot the comma," or "you shouldn't have included the comma," or "you should have spelled 'backwards, forwards'". Any plausible response by a white person would be accepted, and so would any implausible response.

The same crazy unfairness was apparent in question 27. It was not a test of literacy at all. Question 27 read: "Write right from the left to the right as you see it spelled here." If a Black person were to print the answer, he/she would be failed because it says "write" so cursive writing was required. Not so for white people. If a Black person were to write "right" he/she would be failed. Why? Because, the registrar would say, you're supposed to write "right from the left to the right". If a Black person were to write "right from the left to the right", he/she would be failed. Why? Because, the registrar would say, you're supposed to write "right from the left to the right as you see it here." But not for white applicants; for them, any answer would be accepted.

One error and you didn't pass — if you were African-American. The white voter registrars made the pass-fail decisions. Who appointed these voter registrars? The white parish (county) commissioners — that's who. Who elected the white parish commissioners? The mostly white population of registered voters, that's who — even if they were not really a majority of the parish population. If you're not registered to vote, you can't vote. Therefore, all the politicians who made the rules were white. And the police chiefs that enforce the laws were all white. And the policemen they hired were all white. If you are not registered to vote, you can't serve on a jury, so any time there's a criminal charge or a civil dispute in the courts, the judges and juries are all white. That's how it was in Tangipahoa Parish in the summer of 1964, and throughout most of Louisiana.

Veterans of the Civil Rights Movement -- CORE's Freedom Summer — My Experiences in Louisiana
 
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You could stop right there

Well, no I could not. Truth does not disappear from reality just because the person who finds/posts it is from the Netherlands.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Phil Robertson suspension by A&E lifted. He will continue to participate in Duck Dynasty. The following statement was released by A&E today (12-27-13)

As a global media content company, A+E Networks’ core values are centered around creativity, inclusion and mutual respect. We believe it is a privilege for our brands to be invited into people’s home and we operate with a strong sense of integrity and deep commitment to these principals.

That is why we reacted so quickly and strongly to a recent interview with Phil Robertson. While Phil’s comments made in the interview reflect his personal views based on his own beliefs, and his own personal journey, he and his family have publicly stated they regret the “coarse language” he used and the mis-interpretation of his core beliefs based only on the article. He also made it clear he would “never incite or encourage hate.” We at A+E Networks expressed our disappointment with his statements in the article, and reiterate that they are not views we hold.

But Duck Dynasty is not a show about one man's views. It resonates with a large audience because it is a show about family… a family that America has come to love. As you might have seen in many episodes, they come together to reflect and pray for unity, tolerance and forgiveness. These are three values that we at A+E Networks also feel strongly about.

So after discussions with the Robertson family, as well as consulting with numerous advocacy groups, A&E has decided to resume filming Duck Dynasty later this spring with the entire Robertson family.
 
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I did not say that I am an expert because I watched that movie, but from the evidence written down by actual African Americans people can find the truth about how black Americans were treated in the South, including Louisiana.



The Legal Status of the Southern Negro in 1955

The Louisiana Literacy Test and How It Worked to Deny Black Voting Rights

You can find a copy of the Louisiana Literacy test online here. How it works at one level was very simple. Every white applicant passed the test and, every African-American applicant failed. How is this possible? Here's how:

- Any spelling error by an African-American applicant would be deemed sufficient by the white parish registrars to fail the candidate, but not for white applicants.

- Punctuation errors were treated the same: failure for Blacks, but not for whites.

- Circling any of the words "Mr." or "Mrs." or "Miss" instead of underlining the correct word would be grounds for failing an African-American applicant, but not for whites.

When it came to interpreting a provision of the US Constitution, Black applicants would be asked to interpret the "full faith and credit" clause of Article IV, section 1 of the US Constitution or the "privileges and immunities" clause. But not for whites, they would be asked to explain the meaning of the "freedom of speech or freedom of religion" provisions of the First Amendment.

Then the test — and how it was graded and administered — got even more insidious. Check out question 21. It says: "Spell backwards, forwards". If a Black person spelled "backwards" but omitted the comma, he/she would be flunked. If a Black person spelled "backwards," he/she would be flunked. If a Black person asked why, he/she would be told either "you forgot the comma," or "you shouldn't have included the comma," or "you should have spelled 'backwards, forwards'". Any plausible response by a white person would be accepted, and so would any implausible response.

The same crazy unfairness was apparent in question 27. It was not a test of literacy at all. Question 27 read: "Write right from the left to the right as you see it spelled here." If a Black person were to print the answer, he/she would be failed because it says "write" so cursive writing was required. Not so for white people. If a Black person were to write "right" he/she would be failed. Why? Because, the registrar would say, you're supposed to write "right from the left to the right". If a Black person were to write "right from the left to the right", he/she would be failed. Why? Because, the registrar would say, you're supposed to write "right from the left to the right as you see it here." But not for white applicants; for them, any answer would be accepted.

One error and you didn't pass — if you were African-American. The white voter registrars made the pass-fail decisions. Who appointed these voter registrars? The white parish (county) commissioners — that's who. Who elected the white parish commissioners? The mostly white population of registered voters, that's who — even if they were not really a majority of the parish population. If you're not registered to vote, you can't vote. Therefore, all the politicians who made the rules were white. And the police chiefs that enforce the laws were all white. And the policemen they hired were all white. If you are not registered to vote, you can't serve on a jury, so any time there's a criminal charge or a civil dispute in the courts, the judges and juries are all white. That's how it was in Tangipahoa Parish in the summer of 1964, and throughout most of Louisiana.

Veterans of the Civil Rights Movement -- CORE's Freedom Summer*—*My Experiences in Louisiana

Now, you know everything, because you read something written by some dude from Ohio, who spent a couple months in Louisiana?

I know you hate white southerners and there's nothing that's ever going to change that, but they're not all that bad. But, then what do I know? I live here...right?
 
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Now, you know everything, because you read something written by some dude from Ohio, who spent a couple months in Louisiana?

I know you hate white southerners and there's nothing that's ever going to change that, but they're not all that bad. But, then what do I know? I live here...right?

Sure, that is why my best friend in the whole wide world, my closest and dearest friend comes from Alabama.

And I know they are not bad, hell, we are talking about how things were 60 years or so ago, not today.

I am sure that Phil Robertson does not dislike black people or is a racist, but knowing what is known, how people risked their lives for their civil rights, I think it is rather peculiar to claim that they were happier before the civil rights they got. And I am pretty sure that black people in Louisiana were not happier when they were not allowed to vote, when they were not allowed to date someone outside of their own race, when they were only allowed to eat at "blacks only" restaurants, were forced to sit in the back of the bus (or stand), were forced to go to blacks only schools.

For goodness sake, during that dark time public pools were whites only and the black people in the area had to swim in unsafe and unsupervised waters because the whites did not want their skin to touch water in which black people had taken a dip. In Monroe, North Carolina (after the drowning death of a black girl at an unsupervised swimming-hole) a returning black service man asked the city to allow them to swim ONE day in the week in the city owned pool. The city council refuses on the grounds that if Blacks use the pool the water has to be drained and replaced before white children can use it. When this WW2 vet lead a group of black children to try and integrate into the tax-paid pool, the parents of the black kids are threatened with their lives by the KKK. And as a final act of defiance against the black people in Monroe they closed the pool all together rather than sharing it with the blacks.

But that all was ages ago and not current anymore. But for people who laid down their lives in the struggle for human rights for the African American population of the south to be trivialized by saying that blacks had it better before they got human rights is not correct IMHO and I do not know why a smart person like Robertson would say such a thing.

He could have said, from what I knew of the situation blacks seemed happy and content before the civil rights struggle began, but he did not say that in the interview. He stated it like it was a fact and I am pretty sure that Dr. King and all those who died for voting and civil right would have not done that if they were so darned happy before they got human rights.
 
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Sure, that is why my best friend in the whole wide world, my closest and dearest friend comes from Alabama.

And I know they are not bad, hell, we are talking about how things were 60 years or so ago, not today.

I am sure that Phil Robertson does not dislike black people or is a racist, but knowing what is known, how people risked their lives for their civil rights, I think it is rather peculiar to claim that they were happier before the civil rights they got. And I am pretty sure that black people in Louisiana were not happier when they were not allowed to vote, when they were not allowed to date someone outside of their own race, when they were only allowed to eat at "blacks only" restaurants, were forced to sit in the back of the bus (or stand), were forced to go to blacks only schools.

For goodness sake, during that dark time public pools were whites only and the black people in the area had to swim in unsafe and unsupervised waters because the whites did not want their skin to touch water in which black people had taken a dip. In Monroe, North Carolina (after the drowning death of a black girl at an unsupervised swimming-hole) a returning black service man asked the city to allow them to swim ONE day in the week in the city owned pool. The city council refuses on the grounds that if Blacks use the pool the water has to be drained and replaced before white children can use it. When this WW2 vet lead a group of black children to try and integrate into the tax-paid pool, the parents of the black kids are threatened with their lives by the KKK. And as a final act of defiance against the black people in Monroe they closed the pool all together rather than sharing it with the blacks.

But that all was ages ago and not current anymore. But for people who laid down their lives in the struggle for human rights for the African American population of the south to be trivialized by saying that blacks had it better before they got human rights is not correct IMHO and I do not know why a smart person like Robertson would say such a thing.

He could have said, from what I knew of the situation blacks seemed happy and content before the civil rights struggle began, but he did not say that in the interview. He stated it like it was a fact and I am pretty sure that Dr. King and all those who died for voting and civil right would have not done that if they were so darned happy before they got human rights.

Oh! You have a southern friend. Shoulda seen that coming...lol!

Hey! I saw "A Bridge Too Far". I guess that makes me an expert on Holland!
 
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Sure, that is why my best friend in the whole wide world, my closest and dearest friend comes from Alabama.

And I know they are not bad, hell, we are talking about how things were 60 years or so ago, not today.

I am sure that Phil Robertson does not dislike black people or is a racist, but knowing what is known, how people risked their lives for their civil rights, I think it is rather peculiar to claim that they were happier before the civil rights they got. And I am pretty sure that black people in Louisiana were not happier when they were not allowed to vote, when they were not allowed to date someone outside of their own race, when they were only allowed to eat at "blacks only" restaurants, were forced to sit in the back of the bus (or stand), were forced to go to blacks only schools.

For goodness sake, during that dark time public pools were whites only and the black people in the area had to swim in unsafe and unsupervised waters because the whites did not want their skin to touch water in which black people had taken a dip. In Monroe, North Carolina (after the drowning death of a black girl at an unsupervised swimming-hole) a returning black service man asked the city to allow them to swim ONE day in the week in the city owned pool. The city council refuses on the grounds that if Blacks use the pool the water has to be drained and replaced before white children can use it. When this WW2 vet lead a group of black children to try and integrate into the tax-paid pool, the parents of the black kids are threatened with their lives by the KKK. And as a final act of defiance against the black people in Monroe they closed the pool all together rather than sharing it with the blacks.

But that all was ages ago and not current anymore. But for people who laid down their lives in the struggle for human rights for the African American population of the south to be trivialized by saying that blacks had it better before they got human rights is not correct IMHO and I do not know why a smart person like Robertson would say such a thing.

He could have said, from what I knew of the situation blacks seemed happy and content before the civil rights struggle began, but he did not say that in the interview. He stated it like it was a fact and I am pretty sure that Dr. King and all those who died for voting and civil right would have not done that if they were so darned happy before they got human rights.

What makes people happy is a rather interesting question and one that shouldn't be assumed.

Why do 'happy' countries have the highest suicide rates? Why are the poor in Honduras happier than poor people in the western world? Studies have shown that if our neighbors are in the same situation we are than everyone tends to be happier because it's a shared experience. So in fact Blacks at that time may have been happier because they were all in a similarly shared situation with each other.

This is certainly not to defend what happened in southern States during that period but were Blacks happier? Maybe. At that time they would tend to compare their lives with other Blacks and see they were okay in comparison with other Black people. Now they compare themselves with Whites and see they are not generally doing as well, thereby causing resentment. This 'happiness' thing is just a little more complicated then it might first appear.
 
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Oh! You have a southern friend. Shoulda seen that coming...lol!

Hey! I saw "A Bridge Too Far". I guess that makes me an expert on Holland!

Sorry, but my best friend does live (and come from) Alabama. In fact during the Natalee Holloway case I met and befriended loads and loads of people from the Southern United States.

If you had been an expert on the Netherlands you would not use the world "Holland" because that country does not exist.
 
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What makes people happy is a rather interesting question and one that shouldn't be assumed.

Why do 'happy' countries have the highest suicide rates? Why are the poor in Honduras happier than poor people in the western world? Studies have shown that if our neighbors are in the same situation we are than everyone tends to be happier because it's a shared experience. So in fact Blacks at that time may have been happier because they were all in a similarly shared situation with each other.

This is certainly not to defend what happened in southern States during that period but were Blacks happier? Maybe. At that time they would tend to compare their lives with other Blacks and see they were okay in comparison with other Black people. Now they compare themselves with Whites and see they are not generally doing as well, thereby causing resentment. This 'happiness' thing is just a little more complicated then it might first appear.

All nice and dandy, but why on earth, would black people complain about white people in front of someone who was white in that part of the USA during the time that Robertson was a young whippersnapper?

It is illogical that they would do so.

And why did blacks sing in the fields and in the churches? They did not do this as an expression of happiness. They did it on the fields to make the hard and boring work somewhat more bearable. They sung so beautifully in the churches as an expression of hope for better times because the times they lived in were filled with discrimination and hardship.

Again, this may have been the personal thoughts of the young Phil Robertson when he grew up, when he did not know about the civil rights movement and the horrors the African Americans lived in during those times. But with age comes knowledge one would hope and I just think what he said may not have been intended as hurtful but a lot of people who fought for civil liberties for African Americans are hurt by these comments.
 
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Why would liberals eat crow?

Because the majority of them support illicit same sex marriage and they don't want anyone speaking out that homosexual sin is wrong.
 
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Sorry, but my best friend does live (and come from) Alabama. In fact during the Natalee Holloway case I met and befriended loads and loads of people from the Southern United States.

If you had been an expert on the Netherlands you would not use the world "Holland" because that country does not exist.

Multiple southern friends? You have a Phd in Southern Culture.

I'm willing to bet that none of those people, nor their ancestors EVER hoed cotton alongside black folks.
 
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Phil Robertson suspension by A&E lifted. He will continue to participate in Duck Dynasty. The following statement was released by A&E today (12-27-13)

To wit I feel compelled to inject the cliche:

Money talks, bull**** walks.


A&E has silenced the buzzing in their ears by groups like the rainbow coalition, ACLU and aethiest groups and have realized they are a business and need to conduct themselves as a business.
 
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Because the majority of them support illicit same sex marriage and they don't want anyone speaking out that homosexual sin is wrong.

True, I'm not fond of bigotry, but eating crow tends mean I'm wrong about something. Nothing in his being reinstated makes me or anyone wrong.
 
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DUCK and ROVE are now the titular leaders of the GOP..
Rove is currently fanning out looking for RINO candidates to take on TEAts..

Dems need to step back and enjoy the show..
Watch Duckk's greatest ^hits on Cable, especially the coming ones on ACA .

When was Limbaugh dethroned? I thought progressives considered him to be the leader of the GOP.
 
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When was Limbaugh dethroned? I thought progressives considered him to be the leader of the GOP.

Since when have the arch-right-ists owned Limbaugh?.As for Rushbo, I'm sure he's working on some new material to defend and promote the TEA-wings latest star..I'll be looking for what you guys think starting with Sunday's political shows .
 
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Multiple southern friends? You have a Phd in Southern Culture.

I'm willing to bet that none of those people, nor their ancestors EVER hoed cotton alongside black folks.

Yes sure, try not to discuss the issue yet again. Phil Robertson is a fool to suggest that African Americans were happier before they got their civil rights. He might truly feel that way but history and the facts show a very different story.
 
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Yes sure, try not to discuss the issue yet again. Phil Robertson is a fool to suggest that African Americans were happier before they got their civil rights. He might truly feel that way but history and the facts show a very different story.

Well, so far, you haven't produced annecdotal evidence and southern acquaintances to prove him wrong.

50 years ago the black family was still intact. Now it's no longer existant. That's not something to be happy about. Bad thinhs have befallen the Black Cinmunity over the past 50 years. Only the ignorant among us--or from a foreign country--would believe that life is better now for the average black person than it was 50 years ago.
 
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Only the ignorant among us--or from a foreign country--would believe that life is better now for the average black person than it was 50 years ago.

I disagree somewhat.

Off topic, but good article:

Sometimes I sarcastically, perhaps cynically, say that I'm glad that I received virtually all of my education before it became fashionable for white people to like black people," writes Walter Williams in his new autobiography, "Up from the Projects." "By that I mean that I encountered back then a more honest assessment of my strengths and weaknesses. Professors didn't hesitate to criticize me—sometimes to the point of saying, 'That's nonsense.'"

Mr. Williams, an economist at George Mason University, is contrasting being black and poor in the 1940s and '50s with today's experience. It's a theme that permeates his short, bracing volume of reminiscence, and it's where we began our conversation on a recent morning at his home in suburban Philadelphia.

The rest of the article can be found here.
 
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All nice and dandy, but why on earth, would black people complain about white people in front of someone who was white in that part of the USA during the time that Robertson was a young whippersnapper?

It is illogical that they would do so.

And why did blacks sing in the fields and in the churches? They did not do this as an expression of happiness. They did it on the fields to make the hard and boring work somewhat more bearable. They sung so beautifully in the churches as an expression of hope for better times because the times they lived in were filled with discrimination and hardship.

Again, this may have been the personal thoughts of the young Phil Robertson when he grew up, when he did not know about the civil rights movement and the horrors the African Americans lived in during those times. But with age comes knowledge one would hope and I just think what he said may not have been intended as hurtful but a lot of people who fought for civil liberties for African Americans are hurt by these comments.

It's quite possible you aren't clued in as much as you think you are. Peter. I've spent a few years in Europe and they'll happily debate Americans about what's really going on in America, despite them never having set foot there. And yet, ironically, it is also the Europeans who call Americans "arrogant".

PeteEU also quotes movies as reliable sources and it only serves to embarrass the poster..
 
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I disagree somewhat.
Off topic, but good article:
The rest of the article can be found here.

Great article, thanks. Have always been a fan of both Williams and Sowell.
 
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Well, so far, you haven't produced annecdotal evidence and southern acquaintances to prove him wrong.

50 years ago the black family was still intact. Now it's no longer existant. That's not something to be happy about. Bad thinhs have befallen the Black Cinmunity over the past 50 years. Only the ignorant among us--or from a foreign country--would believe that life is better now for the average black person than it was 50 years ago.

I have given loads of anecdotal evidence about how the life of African Americans was about 60 years ago.

60 years ago, you could get killed if you talked back to a white person.

60 years ago, you were completely segregated from white people.

60 years ago, you were not able to register to vote as a black person. In Louisiana, Robertson's home state they made it impossible for blacks to register.

Again, he might not have been aware of the violence towards blacks in his area, but that is a long way away from claiming that they were happier living in the Jim Crow dominated South.
 
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but eating crow tends mean I'm wrong about something. Nothing in his being reinstated makes me or anyone wrong.
No. Nothing in his reinstatement shows you were wrong. But you were still wrong.
 
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