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'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E (W: 742)

Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Watch how easy this is with Boo's own words in a post on this very page....

"It is a poor source. Over the years it's been shown to factually inaccurate a few times. Inaccuracy is a valid reason to dismiss it."

Are you now claiming Fox News is factually inaccurate? If so, that means we can never use them. Is that your position?
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Not at all, but I am not a fan of "reality tv"..... Like I said before, I prefer crime drama's, or sitcom's....But, you think that people don't know that DD is scripted? Come on man....Do you think that people think that shows like Justified are real too?

I think that the Duck Dynasty fan base believes that the everyone in the show acts the same way in real life.

And I never heard of the show Justified until you mentioned it.

BTW Phil Robertson did not invent the double reed duck call. The call was invented in 1957 by a couple Texans. Secrets of the Call Makers
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

I think that the Duck Dynasty fan base believes that the everyone in the show acts the same way in real life.

And I never heard of the show Justified until you mentioned it.

BTW Phil Robertson did not invent the double reed duck call. The call was invented in 1957 by a couple Texans. Secrets of the Call Makers

Too often reality is an illusion, and truth just something you heard. :coffeepap
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Are you now claiming Fox News is factually inaccurate? If so, that means we can never use them. Is that your position?

No, but they didn't give anything different from the first article in LATimes either...They reported that there was an unnamed source "familiar with these things" {paraphrasing} and that is no more reliable for you to make absolute statements, than me saying something...

Your just reaching here. You got caught making an absolute claim, and you can't back it up, now you are wildly throwing anything you can against the wall to get out of backing it up, or saying that you shouldn't have made the claim. That is just hilarious, given your prior pompous, arrogant attitude concerning matters like this when stances are switched.

BTW, Got that contract clause yet?
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Why? Is it that hard to believe that the black people he knew at the time were happy? I think you are searching for something to get outraged about here.

Yes, Emmett Till was one of those happy people who lost his life for the horrible crime of flirting or touching a white woman.

Or all the other blacks who were killed, beaten or abused by member of the KKK or other hateful whites. And yes, it is incredibly difficult to believe that in a part of the US in which you could get lynched for whistling at a white woman blacks were "happy".
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

I think that the Duck Dynasty fan base believes that the everyone in the show acts the same way in real life.

Why do you say that? Have you polled all 14 million of them? Or is it that you think that people that watch that show are just that dumb?

And I never heard of the show Justified until you mentioned it.

Pretty good show....Based in the Cumberland region of KY. But it is fiction, just like DD, just like everything you watch on tv. It's entertainment. I am sure there is someone that liked Dukes of Hazard too when it was on, I personally thought it insulted intelligence.

BTW Phil Robertson did not invent the double reed duck call. The call was invented in 1957 by a couple Texans.

So what? He made a successful business out of producing them, and then made millions more signing a deal to do a show. Are you mad that he is successful?
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Yes, Emmett Till was one of those happy people who lost his life for the horrible crime of flirting or touching a white woman.

Or all the other blacks who were killed, beaten or abused by member of the KKK or other hateful whites. And yes, it is incredibly difficult to believe that in a part of the US in which you could get lynched for whistling at a white woman blacks were "happy".

Jesus Christ! Why do you liberals have to always conflate something to the extreme. It's pathetic.

Now some real simple questions for you to answer

1. Do you have proof that Phil knew of, or participated in the Till case?

2. Do you have proof that Phil was a member of the KKK, beat blacks, or participated in any hate crime against blacks at that time?

3. Do you have proof that of his experience that he stated, that he is lying in any shape, manner, or form, other than your own biased presumption of him?

The answer to all three should be a resounding NO, if you are honest.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

No, but they didn't give anything different from the first article in LATimes either...They reported that there was an unnamed source "familiar with these things" {paraphrasing} and that is no more reliable for you to make absolute statements, than me saying something...

Your just reaching here. You got caught making an absolute claim, and you can't back it up, now you are wildly throwing anything you can against the wall to get out of backing it up, or saying that you shouldn't have made the claim. That is just hilarious, given your prior pompous, arrogant attitude concerning matters like this when stances are switched.

BTW, Got that contract clause yet?

None of that matters. You quoted me as saying the criteria was a history of inaccuracy. If you are using me, then logically, you have to show Fox News has. History of being inaccurate.

I have two sources, and that's two more than yours. Btw, if you look up the normal law of such contracts, you'll find that such moral clauses are standard. So, that's a third thing I have. You? Just willing suspension of disbelief.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Spoken from experience no doubt.

Of course. I've observed you guys for years now. That's valuable experience for this. ;)
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

None of that matters. You quoted me as saying the criteria was a history of inaccuracy. If you are using me, then logically, you have to show Fox News has. History of being inaccurate.

I have two sources, and that's two more than yours. Btw, if you look up the normal law of such contracts, you'll find that such moral clauses are standard. So, that's a third thing I have. You? Just willing suspension of disbelief.

I just don't know if I can continue to debate this with such dishonesty as yours displayed here Joe....
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

I just don't know if I can continue to debate this with such dishonesty as yours displayed here Joe....

J, this is another of your dishonest tactics. I responded directly to what you said. Cornered, you consistently resort to these tactics. Try reading what you write.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Why do you say that? Have you polled all 14 million of them? Or is it that you think that people that watch that show are just that dumb?
The redneck viewers seem to relate with the Robertsons.


Pretty good show....Based in the Cumberland region of KY. But it is fiction, just like DD, just like everything you watch on tv. It's entertainment. I am sure there is someone that liked Dukes of Hazard too when it was on, I personally thought it insulted intelligence.
Yea I am sure it is a great show but it isnt a reality show.


So what? He made a successful business out of producing them, and then made millions more signing a deal to do a show. Are you mad that he is successful?
Why would I care about someone elses success? So this Phil guy made money at what he does, good for him. I dont see your point though.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Jesus Christ! Why do you liberals have to always conflate something to the extreme. It's pathetic.

Now some real simple questions for you to answer

1. Do you have proof that Phil knew of, or participated in the Till case?

2. Do you have proof that Phil was a member of the KKK, beat blacks, or participated in any hate crime against blacks at that time?

3. Do you have proof that of his experience that he stated, that he is lying in any shape, manner, or form, other than your own biased presumption of him?

The answer to all three should be a resounding NO, if you are honest.

Try not making up such stupid accusations about Robertson that I never made or implied (participant in the Till case, member of the KKK, being violent to blacks).

I am sorry, but if a man of his age (65+) who has been educated, does not know the incorrectness of the stupid statement he has made regarding the "happy blacks", then he needs to study up on African American history because he has a serious deficit in his knowledge on this issue.

There is something as personal experience and reality. And if you are proclaiming your incredibly incorrect and unrealistic views of black people (like Robertson claims he has) like he has done, he is either oblivious to reality or he knows nothing about African Americans and their struggle.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Classic example of a red herring fallacy.

The topic is Phil Robertson and how his derogatory statements led to his suspension. Sarah Palin should have read the article prior to pledging support.

Yeah but it's true the Dem's should have read Obamacare before they voted on it.

Derogatory statements by Phil led A&E to air Duck Dynasty 24/7, they surly did not suspend the show. Now what would you call that?
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

you know im sorry but i really hate the idea of political correctness. I cant go around saying black, mexican, illegal immigrant, gay, lesbian,jew, etc... without someone getting on our buts about politically correctness. Mean while almost of those things that we are not allowed to say are used by the people they are talking about to describe themselves.

I have black friends who call themselves black and want other people to call them black instead of african americans because they have never seen africa and no one in their last 5 generations has seen africa, and no one in the last 8 has lived there! Gays call themselves gays, believe me i hear them do it ALL THE TIME.

The one that really gets me annoyed is the illegal immigrant one. People, when someone crosses the border illegally, and they are leaving their country far a new one, then by definition they are technically an illegal immigrant. There is no getting around it.

Now i didn't bother to read what this guy off of duck dynasty said except that it has something to do with gays and i don't particularly care. The right of speech says that he can speak. it doesn't mean that he cant be punished or insulted about what he says, but he can speak. And as being gay is against the christian religion, then preaching the christian religion is both a use of his freedom religious and freedom of speech. If a&e is going to segregate against him for using those rights then i am sorry but that is wrong. Now im not saying it is right to put down a people but he did nothing wrong by practicing his religion.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Try not making up such stupid accusations about Robertson that I never made or implied (participant in the Till case, member of the KKK, being violent to blacks).

I am sorry, but if a man of his age (65+) who has been educated, does not know the incorrectness of the stupid statement he has made regarding the "happy blacks", then he needs to study up on African American history because he has a serious deficit in his knowledge on this issue.

There is something as personal experience and reality. And if you are proclaiming your incredibly incorrect and unrealistic views of black people (like Robertson claims he has) like he has done, he is either oblivious to reality or he knows nothing about African Americans and their struggle.

What Phil Robertson was doing was testifying to his personal experience. You seem to think that you have some expertise on what the "correct" and "realistic views of black people" are that Robertson doesn't. I'd like to learn more about what qualifies you to determine who's "oblivious to reality."
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Try not making up such stupid accusations about Robertson that I never made or implied (participant in the Till case, member of the KKK, being violent to blacks).

I am sorry, but if a man of his age (65+) who has been educated, does not know the incorrectness of the stupid statement he has made regarding the "happy blacks", then he needs to study up on African American history because he has a serious deficit in his knowledge on this issue.

There is something as personal experience and reality. And if you are proclaiming your incredibly incorrect and unrealistic views of black people (like Robertson claims he has) like he has done, he is either oblivious to reality or he knows nothing about African Americans and their struggle.

So, how many American, southern, rural black folks did you grow up with? Buncha those folks in Holland, are there?
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Classic example of a red herring fallacy.

The topic is Phil Robertson and how his derogatory statements led to his suspension. Sarah Palin should have read the article prior to pledging support.

How were his comments "derogatory"?
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Duckk Robertson is now openly campaigning for TEA-party candidates,
such as the one in the LA 5th who won 60-40 after being down by double digits..

The GOP is scared to death of Duckk and will most likely invite him to their next convention..
GOP leaders like Palin blanket-support his words without reading them .

What Phil Robertson was doing was testifying to his personal experience. You seem to think that you have some expertise on what the "correct" and "realistic views of black people" are that Robertson doesn't. I'd like to learn more about what qualifies you to determine who's "oblivious to reality."
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

DUCK and ROVE are now the titular leaders of the GOP..
Rove is currently fanning out looking for RINO candidates to take on TEAts..

Dems need to step back and enjoy the show..
Watch Duckk's greatest ^hits on Cable, especially the coming ones on ACA .
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

you know im sorry but i really hate the idea of political correctness. I cant go around saying black, mexican, illegal immigrant, gay, lesbian,jew, etc... without someone getting on our buts about politically correctness. Mean while almost of those things that we are not allowed to say are used by the people they are talking about to describe themselves.

I have black friends who call themselves black and want other people to call them black instead of african americans because they have never seen africa and no one in their last 5 generations has seen africa, and no one in the last 8 has lived there! Gays call themselves gays, believe me i hear them do it ALL THE TIME.

The one that really gets me annoyed is the illegal immigrant one. People, when someone crosses the border illegally, and they are leaving their country far a new one, then by definition they are technically an illegal immigrant. There is no getting around it.

Now i didn't bother to read what this guy off of duck dynasty said except that it has something to do with gays and i don't particularly care. The right of speech says that he can speak. it doesn't mean that he cant be punished or insulted about what he says, but he can speak. And as being gay is against the christian religion, then preaching the christian religion is both a use of his freedom religious and freedom of speech. If a&e is going to segregate against him for using those rights then i am sorry but that is wrong. Now im not saying it is right to put down a people but he did nothing wrong by practicing his religion.

FYI being gay is not against the Christian religion. The act of homosexuality is considered to be against the religion and even that is debatable by some.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

So, how many American, southern, rural black folks did you grow up with? Buncha those folks in Holland, are there?

None, but guess what, not only did we study the struggle of African Americans and how they were treated in the South of the US before they were given the human rights they should always have had.

I too saw Mississippi Burning, the story of how black human rights individuals were murdered and documentaries galore about how African Americans were abused with little or no rights.

But even from the Netherlands, with any reasonable intelligence, one can understand that it is ludicrous to claim that because they were singing and because they were religious African Americans in the Southern United States were happy without having human rights.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

What Phil Robertson was doing was testifying to his personal experience. You seem to think that you have some expertise on what the "correct" and "realistic views of black people" are that Robertson doesn't. I'd like to learn more about what qualifies you to determine who's "oblivious to reality."

Having a romantic idyllic view of how you think things went when you grew up is not the same as having a correct view of how things in those days actually went. History and facts have proven that not once but often. Risking your life to stand up for your human rights (and many times getting murdered) is not something you do when you are "happy, religiously singing on the fields".

In a time when whistling at a white woman could get you killed in the South and your murderers found not guilty, how likely do you think it is that blacks would complain about those darned whites to another white person or in earshot of a white person. In the South were millions of KKK members and even more people who just supported the KKK without being a member.

In 1949, four young Black men are accused of raping a white girl in Lake County near Orlando — at that time a Klan stronghold. Later evidence indicates that the 17 year old girl had been beaten by her husband, and that they concocted a phony rape story to conceal the beating from her parents who had threatened to shoot him if he brutalized her again.

Charles Greenlee (age 16), and war veterans Sam Shepherd and Walter Irvin, are arrested for the supposed rape. The fourth man, Ernest Thomas manages to flee, but is gunned down by a Sheriff's posse a few days later. A mob of more than 500 white men assembles to lynch the remaining three. When they can't locate the prisoners, they form a caravan of 200 cars and descend on the Black neighborhood of Groveland where the the families of the accused men live. They shoot into homes and set some on fire. The Florida Governor has to send in the National Guard to restore order.

Willis McCall, the Sheriff of Lake County, is notorious for his brutality against Blacks. Year-after-year he is relected with the support of the citrus growers who he supplies with cheap, chain-gang prison labor at harvest time by arresting Blacks on trumped up charges for minor crimes. He also chases any and all union organizer out of the county.

The Moores discover that while in McCall's custody the three Groveland defendants were brutally beaten and made to stand on broken glass with their hands roped to a pipe over their heads. Despite this torture, they refused to confess to a crime they did not commit. Unable to force a confession, McCall's deputies manufacture enough phony evidence to convince an all-white jury. Shepherd and Irvin are sentenced to death, 16-year old Greenlee is sentenced to prison.

Greenlee chooses not to appeal out of fear that a new trial would result in a death sentence. Franklin Williams, Shepherd and Irvin's NAACP attorney, appeals their conviction and it is overturned by the Supreme Court in 1951.

In November of 1951, Sheriff McCall removes the two men from prison. While driving them to Lake County for their new trial, he shoots them, killing Shepherd and severely wounding Irvin. He claims that the two handcuffed and manacled prisoners attacked him while trying to escape. When Irvin recovers enough to speak, he describes how McCall pulled his car off the road, dragged the two men out, and began firing. The Moores demand that McCall be suspended from office and indicted for murder. No charges are ever brought against McCall.

With the mob attack on Groveland, the original rape trial, the successful appeal, and the shootings fanning the flames of racism, Harry Moore is called "The most hated Black man in Florida." His mother, visiting for the holidays, voices concern for the Moore's safety. Harry tells her, "Every advancement comes by way of sacrifice. What I am doing is for the benefit of my race."

Late in the night on Christmas Eve, 1951, a bomb explodes under Harry and Harriette's bedroom. He dies on the way to the hospital, she dies of her injuries 9 days later. They are the first Freedom Movement martyrs of the post-WWII era. Though it is widely known that the Ku Klux Klan planted the bomb, no one is ever charged in their murder.

Veterans of the Civil Rights Movement -- History & Timeline, 1951-1953

NAACP Leader Rev. George Wesley Lee Murdered in Belzoni MS. (May)

Rev. George Wesley Lee is an NAACP leader and one of the first Black men registered to vote in Humphreys County in the heart of the Mississippi Delta. He uses his pulpit and his printing press to urge others to vote. To the great consternation of the White Citizens Council and the KKK, he manages to get almost 100 Blacks registered. White officials offer Lee "protection" on the condition he remove his name from the list of registered voters and end his voter registration efforts. He refuses.

On May 7, 1955, Lee attempts to vote in the Democratic primary. Though he is a legally registered voter, he is prevented from casting his ballot because the Mississippi Democratic Party is "white-only." Only whites are allowed to vote in party primaries or participate in party meetings or activities. On his way home he is shot to death. No one is ever arrested for this murder.

Witnesses describe how whites in another vehicle had fired a shotgun into Lee's car. The local sheriff declares his murder to be "death by unknown cause" and he claims that the lead shotgun pellets in Lee's face were "dental fillings." He has no explanation for the shot-out tires that brought Lee's car to a halt. The Governor refuses to allow the state to investigate any further. No one is ever arrested or charged in his murder.

Veterans of the Civil Rights Movement -- History & Timeline, 1955

In 1958 in Monroe, North Carolina, two black boys, seven-year-old David "Fuzzy" Simpson and nine-year-old James Hanover Thompson, were arrested after kissing a white girl on the cheek in a neighborhood game. They were charged and convicted of molestation and sentenced to a reformatory until the age of 21.

After the girl told her mother, her father and neighbors armed themselves with shotguns and went looking for the boys and their parents. That evening, police arrested Thompson and Simpson on charges of molestation. The young boys were detained for six days without access to their parents or legal counsel. They were handcuffed and beaten in a lower-level cell of the police station. A few days later a juvenile court judge found them guilty and sentenced them to indefinite terms in reform school. The boys, still denied legal counsel, were told they might get out when they were 21 years old. The local Ku Klux Klan, which had a headquarters in Monroe, burned crosses in front of the families' houses, and some people shot at the houses.

Kissing Case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

None, but guess what, not only did we study the struggle of African Americans and how they were treated in the South of the US before they were given the human rights they should always have had.

I too saw Mississippi Burning, the story of how black human rights individuals were murdered and documentaries galore about how African Americans were abused with little or no rights.

But even from the Netherlands, with any reasonable intelligence, one can understand that it is ludicrous to claim that because they were singing and because they were religious African Americans in the Southern United States were happy without having human rights.

Let me see if I'm onboard here: Robertson, grew up in the south, live around black folks, worked with black folks, but he don't know ****. You watched Mississippi Burning and you're an expert on American blacks in the south--deep south?

All I can say to that, is: :lamo
 
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