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'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E (W: 742)

Maybe it's about the tyranny of the minority. ;)
 
Now, how about you link the percent of gay supporters and not just gays before looking completely intellectually dishonest.


Hey look, I support Gay's right to marry as much as any other group, or should I say I don't really care what they do. But when they try and shove their agenda down my throat, then they are just like any other assholes.
 
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If you ask the "Klan" what they think of blacks, what answer would you expect?
If you ask a Satanist what they think of God, what answer do you expect?
And if you ask a Christian what they think of homosexuality, what answer would you expect?
Claiming the "behavior" of answering a religious question with a bible verse is an embarrassment to a television network is discrimination.
The case, and this discussion, hasn't concerned statements of race, but statements of religion regarding sexual behavior.

What you expect is one thing. However, when you sign a behavior clause and you go public, you can be fired.
 
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He was reprimanded and punished at his job for telling his religious beliefs. I call that stepped on. You liberals may be loving it, seeing a man be financially impacted for being a Christian. But I may remind you that it is his right.

No. He was fired for violating his clause. For saying stupid bigoted comments.
 
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Joe, I just read the entire article in GQ, and I must say what a weasel this reporter that wrote it is....But that is beside the point...If you had read it you'd know that in context Phil was asked about his personal experience, not black people in general as you attempt to misrepresent here.

Just another level of dishonesty eh Joe? Come on man.



That's right. It does not make it homophobic. But one has to understand what they are talking about before criticizing that which they obviously know little about.



Who in the hell are you to decide what people should believe? When will you liberals learn that not everyone has to believe things exactly like you do....That you don't accept the bible, and think that is proper is your choice, but to look down on others because they do, or to make such an arrogant statement as "nor should we", is asinine....



"For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4"Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye?…

Matthew 7:3

Once again you are arguing about what did not say. I've been sure how to deal with as you don't listen when I point it out.

but let me try:

1) the author and the article mean very little to me.

2) I did not tell anyone what to believe.

3) what he said smacks of bigotry.
 
I think that I was clear....A&E is bending to majority rule, as most businesses would be expected to.

No they are following their business model as explained in their decision about Mr. Robertson. A business doesnt just react to what the majority wants, they actually have a plan. "His personal views in no way reflect those of A+E Networks, who have always been strong supporters and champions of the LGBT community." they were asserting that their marketing plan intends not to offend any viewers.
 
No they are following their business model as explained in their decision about Mr. Robertson. A business doesnt just react to what the majority wants, they actually have a plan. "His personal views in no way reflect those of A+E Networks, who have always been strong supporters and champions of the LGBT community." they were asserting that their marketing plan intends not to offend any viewers.

Ever heard you can't please all the people all the time?
 
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Once again you are arguing about what did not say.

Really? So you didn't say:

"The Bible says a lot of things we no longer accept. Nor should we."

Why do you try to weasel out of your own words when they are in black and white?

I've been sure how to deal with as you don't listen when I point it out.

What this dyslexic sentence means I am not sure.

1) the author and the article mean very little to me.

Hmmmm...Which is why I said:

"But that is beside the point."

I guess you missed it.

2) I did not tell anyone what to believe.

Again, reference the above statement:

"The Bible says a lot of things we no longer accept. Nor should we."

3) what he said smacks of bigotry.

The definition of bigotry is such:

big·ot·ry (bg-tr)
n.
The attitude, state of mind, or behavior characteristic of a bigot; intolerance.

So, now before we go any further the onus is on you to explain in context how Phil's "attitude, state of mind, behavior characteristic, or how it was intolerant" that he answered what the bible characterizes as a sin is? If you think that the bible is bigoted then you characterize all Christians that believe in the bible as bigots, and that sir, makes you the bigot.
 
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Really? So you didn't say:

"The Bible says a lot of things we no longer accept. Nor should we."

Why do you try to weasel out of your own words when they are in black and white?



What this dyslexic sentence means I am not sure.



Hmmmm...Which is why I said:

"But that is beside the point."

I guess you missed it.



Again, reference the above statement:

"The Bible says a lot of things we no longer accept. Nor should we."



The definition of bigotry is such:

big·ot·ry (bg-tr)
n.
The attitude, state of mind, or behavior characteristic of a bigot; intolerance.

So, now before we go any further the onus is on you to explain in context how Phil's "attitude, state of mind, behavior characteristic, or how it was intolerant" that he answered what the bible characterizes as a sin is? If you think that the bible is bigoted then you characterize all Christians that believe in the bible as bigots, and that sir, makes you the bigot.

Nor should we is merely an opinion. It is not telling people what they should believe. You take beyond its meaning. 2)

1) I know.

2) not what that means.

3) blacks were happier being discriminated against. State of mind. Selective use of bible to be against homosexuals while ignoring other things as we do today (IMHO, he has misread the bible, but that's another debate), thus intolerance. Not able to see his selectivity.
 
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so, if he had relied on biblical passages supportive of slavery, then that would have absolved him of being intolerant to people of color
only to you and those like you, such as the westboro baptist church, which has announced its intent to picket A&E in support of phil robertson, would offer up such an outlandish proposition that slavery is acceptable because the bible says so

Actually, slavery is universal in the bible. It doesnt apply to any color group.
 
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Nor should we is merely an opinion. It is not telling people what they should believe. You take beyond its meaning.

I'm pretty sure that if this conversation were in person, among a group of people, your addition of "nor should we" wouldn't be taken as a simple opinion, and even so, an opinion expressing what ''we" should, or shouldn't do, believe, accept. That not only makes you a semantic arguer, but rather dishonest in this particular argument.

1) I know.

You know what?

2) not what that means.

So, now you're telling me what I mean....That's fantastic.

3) blacks were happier being discriminated against. State of mind.

Show me where he thought that.

Selective use of bible to be against homosexuals while ignoring other things as we do today

You don't get to pick and choose....The bible is not a document you can twist to your own means...It either says homosexuality is a sin, or it doesn't...It isn't up to interpretation of the times.

(IMHO, he has misread the bible, but that's another debate)

Opinion noted.

thus intolerance.

You're seeing what you want to see. It's not there.

Not able to see his selectivity.

That's because you don't know what you are talking about....Understandable.
 
Ever heard you can't please all the people all the time?

WHy yes that is pretty obvious, just look at all the pissed rednecks right now. Houston mayor weighs in on 'Duck Dynasty' feud; A&E claims it's received death threats since Phil Robertson's suspension | abc13.com

"Houston Mayor Annise Parker, the first openly gay mayor of a major U.S. city, is expressing her opinion on the subject.

Parker sent a Tweet on Saturday, stating, "When i called Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty 'a redneck wingnut whose views are completely irrelevant' I was serious. Who cares?-A."

That Tweet came on the heels of a report by Lone Star Q, a statewide LGBT news source, that quoted Parker as saying, "What some redneck wingnut has to say about the GLBT community is completely irrelevant."

Parker's remarks prompted Sid Miller, Republican candidate for Texas Agriculture Commissioner, to call for an apology "to the millions of Conservative Christians who live in Houston and Texas," according to a statement released Saturday.

"Just because Annise Parker believes Phil Robertson's comments are irrelevant doesn't mean that many of her constituents don't only consider them to be relevant, but also timely," Miller said.
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I'm pretty sure that if this conversation were in person, among a group of people, your addition of "nor should we" wouldn't be taken as a simple opinion, and even so, an opinion expressing what ''we" should, or shouldn't do, believe, accept. That not only makes you a semantic arguer, but rather dishonest in this particular argument.



You know what?



So, now you're telling me what I mean....That's fantastic.



Show me where he thought that.



You don't get to pick and choose....The bible is not a document you can twist to your own means...It either says homosexuality is a sin, or it doesn't...It isn't up to interpretation of the times.



Opinion noted.



You're seeing what you want to see. It's not there.



That's because you don't know what you are talking about....Understandable.

Yes it would, even among conservatives. We actually sit down and have these conversations.

1) know what you said. Read the one you wrote.

2) no, I'm telling you that you inaccurately interpreted what I said. You're doing it again now.

3) read above. We've been talking about it. It was in the same interview.

No, the intolerance is there. You're just willful blind to it.
 
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So I decided to read the GQ article which apparently started this? Am I correct in that? Well Wikipedia thinks so...

Now I have to ask.

What the HELL is all the fuss about?


Edit: Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson Gives Drew Magary a Tour


Edit 2: I mean, sure, the comments regarding gay people were a bit....questionable....but they seem kinda standard for someone who (apparently, from the article) is quite conservative, religiously. He came across to me as just not understanding the issue very well.

As for the "racism", I saw none. The comments which are pointed out as racist are not.
 
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What you expect is one thing. However, when you sign a behavior clause and you go public, you can be fired.

True, but that is only the defense against the reality that without such so-called moral clause it would without doubt be a violation of the civil rights act concerning discrimination.
Careful now, you are supporting also the right of a Catholic school to fire a teacher that "comes out", for the same reason.
 
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True, but that is only the defense against the reality that without such so-called moral clause it would without doubt be a violation of the civil rights act concerning discrimination.
Careful now, you are supporting also the right of a Catholic school to fire a teacher that "comes out", for the same reason.

Teachers have been fired.

However, that us different. Entertainment us a fleeting business, dependent on many factors. A pastor that doesn't hold to the beliefs of a congregation will likely lose his job. A teacher who believes women shouldn't be educated, risks bring fired as well. It's not about what some is (homosexual / fundamentalist), but what they do as it relates to specifics of the job. A vegan PETA believer isn't likely suited for slaughterhouse work.

But the point is, this is about a contract violation. Nothing more.
 
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Teachers have been fired.

However, that us different. Entertainment us a fleeting business, dependent on many factors. A pastor that doesn't hold to the beliefs of a congregation will likely lose his job. A teacher who believes women shouldn't be educated, risks bring fired as well. It's not about what some is (homosexual / fundamentalist), but what they do as it relates to specifics of the job. A vegan PETA believer isn't likely suited for slaughterhouse work.

But the point is, this is about a contract violation. Nothing more.

Yet no one has posted the supposed "contract violation" that you say exists...So, until the specifics are posted then you are doing little more than speculating.
 
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Yet no one has posted the supposed "contract violation" that you say exists...So, until the specifics are posted then you are doing little more than speculating.

Actually they have. Just read above you and follow the conversation.
 
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Actually they have. Just read above you and follow the conversation.

Well, I am not going to search 143 pages of postings to hopefully find this supposed posting of the contract clause...If you know it's out there, just post it, or admit that you have nothing.
 
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