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'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E (W: 742)

Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Lord Tammerlain said:
I expect that something similar to the following was in his contract



What he said caused insult and shock to a segment of the population, A&E has the right to suspend or terminate the contract
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I agree they have no case in this regard. However that last isn't quire accurate. In real life the morals clause is to prevent shock and insult to a segment of the VIEWING population. The viewing population in this case is not shocked or insulted at all by Phil's comments.
 
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TML said:
Believing that homosexuality is morally wrong, is a known biblical belief, and saying so isn’t necessarily homophobic, nor even bigoted. However, yes, the 1st Amendment was meant to protect the right to say things that others might find controversial or offensive, especially when it's a moral opinion. And therefore his being fired for such should fall within a violation of discrimination laws under the Civil Rights Act, Title VII which expressly forbids discrimination based on religious belief.
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Actually it just says religion, not religious belief. Phil can't be fired for being a Christian, he can be fired for damn near anything and everything else. Louisiana is a 'right to work state' which grants broad firing powers to an employer. A&E CAN suspend Phil if they feel his words/actions/ violate the A&E principles. They can can him for disobeying A&E directives.

This isn't a freedom of speech/religion issue. It is a contractual one.
 
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clownboy said:
That's nonsense considering A&E does all sorts of shows that highlight the Bible (the source of Phil's quotes) as do other networks. You don't hear of the folks who tie aliens to the Bible in innumerable shows being fired for impugning mainstream beliefs.
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He took it upon himself to attack homosexuality.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Yep. Losing the dozens of DD homosexual viewers would be terrible. ;)

A&E is simply loving the added free publicity of this self created controversy.
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Winner, winner chicken dinner! I just can't see A&E being stupid. This is a publicity move where they try to have their cake and eat it too. Most of the time such a move works out positively for the network/movie studio. Sometimes, like here, they miscalculate.

In any event, guess what show is on everyone's lips. The old adage, "there is no such thing as bad publicity in this industry" rings true.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

clownboy said:
I agree they have no case in this regard. However that last isn't quire accurate. In real life the morals clause is to prevent shock and insult to a segment of the VIEWING population. The viewing population in this case is not shocked or insulted at all by Phil's comments.
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A&E's viewing population is larger then just Duck Dynasty. A&E's advertisers may also be shocked by the comments and decide not to advertise on the channel because of it
 
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Kushinator said:
He took it upon himself to attack homosexuality.
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No he didn't, he was responding to an interview about his personal beliefs. Beliefs that are largely shared by his viewing audience and fan base. Beliefs that he expressed before there was ever a show and that the show's producers were well aware of. You've obviously never watched the show.
 
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Kushinator said:
It would be a good idea to understand the context of the statements you reference.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/181347-duck-dynasty-star-phil-robertson-suspended-and-e-w-742-a-124.html#post1062698662
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I did follow and understand the context. Which is why I pointed out that you raised a distinction without a difference: you originally cited the fact that you were discussing a normative vs positive argument (I am gay vs being gay is wrong). The person you were debating with corrected you and pointed out he is discussing two moral positions (it's ok being gay vs it isn't).

Your response to this was to bring up the irrelevant point of saying "Saying you support homosexuality does not mean you oppose heterosexuality". Which is irrelevant to the fact that they are both normative
 
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clownboy said:
The viewing population in this case is not shocked or insulted at all by Phil's comments.
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Qualitative statement that misses the forest for the trees. His actions strain A&E's ability to grab new viewers in the event his conduct went unpunished. They still risk facing backlash.

In the end, he's just another dumb white man (i'm white btw). You can have a little bit of empathy for Paula Dean (it was said a long time ago). Duck dad learned a valuable lesson about what you can and cannot say publicly while under contract with a global media company.
 
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clownboy said:
No he didn't, he was responding to an interview about his personal beliefs. Beliefs that are largely shared by his viewing audience and fan base. Beliefs that he expressed before there was ever a show and that the show's producers were well aware of. You've obviously never watched the show.
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He could have said he opposes gay marriage or homosexuality. Instead, he created a PR nightmare.
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
A&E's viewing population is larger then just Duck Dynasty. A&E's advertisers may also be shocked by the comments and decide not to advertise on the channel because of it
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Well, you're wrong. The show is the top of the network lineup by a ton. The other shows are starting to peter out. That's why they are busy trying to rejigger the formats of many of them. Also should be mentioned, the other popular shows on the network, their stars feel the same way as Phil.
 
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Kushinator said:
He could have said he opposes gay marriage or homosexuality. Instead, he created a PR nightmare.
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Yes and then everyone in the country wouldn't be talking about the show today. It's a PR dream. Think about it. A&E wasn't ever going to lose any advo dollars. Not from their most watched show. Any advertisers who left would have been quickly replaced by folks who are lined up to advertise on the show.
 
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clownboy said:
Well, you're wrong. The show is the top of the network lineup by a ton. The other shows are starting to peter out. That's why they are busy trying to rejigger the formats of many of them. Also should be mentioned, the other popular shows on the network, their stars feel the same way as Phil.
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Which is entirely fine, they did not go out and publically in the media, causing A&E public harm that is the difference
 
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clownboy said:
Just the opposite, yes this is A&E's biggest draw and the show will not continue without Phil, the rest of the family have made that clear. A&E won't lose just some of the advert dollars, but ALL of them. All because they chose to bend knee to a bunch of whiners.

And you're characterization is false. Actually the foamers at the mouth are the GLAAD folks and yourself who don't watch the show in the first place. You all are the ones who kicked this whole thing off. Phil and the family are not at all impacted other than perhaps positively.
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Lol your desperation is hilarious. Please tell me what "I have started" as you claim. I laugh at people like you foaming at the mouth over his suspension. I don't care either way so how have I started anything with this? Please continue though, your desperation is hilarious.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Kushinator said:
Qualitative statement that misses the forest for the trees. His actions strain A&E's ability to grab new viewers in the event his conduct went unpunished. They still risk facing backlash.

In the end, he's just another dumb white man (i'm white btw). You can have a little bit of empathy for Paula Dean (it was said a long time ago). Duck dad learned a valuable lesson about what you can and cannot say publicly while under contract with a global media company.
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There no analogy that fits between Dean's behavior and what Phil said in an interview. And Phil learned no lesson, he doesn't need A&E, the show, or the proceeds from the contract.

And no, his interview in no way impacts A&E's ability to attract new viewers. In fact it pretty much guarantees the show will continue to be the massive draw for A&E in the future.

The timing of all this is a key indicator. This season is already in the can. Phil and family are already on camera vacation.
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
Which is entirely fine, they did not go out and publically in the media, causing A&E public harm that is the difference
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Actually that's not true. The Gold Rush folks come to mind. They say all sorts of things in twitter and the social media. The thing is, the viewership, both current and future possible, aren't insulted at all that the folks featured on these shows believe what they do. They aren't insulted that they pray on every show or profess beliefs in traditional Biblical teachings.
 
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clownboy said:
Actually that's not true. The Gold Rush folks come to mind. They say all sorts of things in twitter and the social media. The thing is, the viewership, both current and future possible, aren't insulted at all that the folks featured on these shows believe what they do. They aren't insulted that they pray on every show or profess beliefs in traditional Biblical teachings.
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Hey, Jack. Phil insulted the queers and queens. You just cant do that.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Lol your desperation is hilarious. Please tell me what "I have started" as you claim. I laugh at people like you foaming at the mouth over his suspension. I don't care either way so how have I started anything with this? Please continue though, your desperation is hilarious.
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Your lack of reading is hilarious. Where did I say YOU started anything? Where have I been foaming at the mouth? In fact I've been laughing this entire thread at the butthurt perpetual victims that think they are having a negative effect on the show with their protests about what Phil said, when in actuality they are promoting the show AND Phil's popularity.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Hey, Jack. Phil insulted the queers and queens. You just cant do that.
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sure you can
you just have to face the consequences of doing so
like phil robertson
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Hey, Jack. Phil insulted the queers and queens. You just cant do that.
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Funny, the most popular show on the E network (the Soup) does that all the time. In fact they use a lot of footage from A&E shows to do so.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

clownboy said:
Actually that's not true. The Gold Rush folks come to mind. They say all sorts of things in twitter and the social media. The thing is, the viewership, both current and future possible, aren't insulted at all that the folks featured on these shows believe what they do. They aren't insulted that they pray on every show or profess beliefs in traditional Biblical teachings.
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Did they something similar?
 
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justabubba said:
sure you can
you just have to face the consequences of doing so
like phil robertson
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Hah! And what consequences is he facing? The prosepect of having his already huge viewership increased while he and the rest of the family are already on film hiatus? Oh yeah, please don't throw me in the briar patch. :lamo
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
Did they something similar?
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Yeah, pretty much all the time. A&E edits out a lot of it from the shows themselves. Todd Hoffman and his Dad believe just as Phil does.
 
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clownboy said:
Yeah, pretty much all the time. A&E edits out a lot of it from the shows themselves. Todd Hoffman and his Dad believe just as Phil does.
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So A&E has edited out what would have been the more offensive statements that could have caused A&E problems. So they generally never made it to air. A&E did not punish them for their believes, it has just protected its image and brand as a whole
 
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