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'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E (W: 742)

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TML said:
The difference here is that a non-violent moral opinion was given. Not an act of taking slaves, killing, or even condoning it.
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The simple fact is the patriarch of the family was allowed to say what he wanted and A&E was free to suspend him for it. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can call your boss an asshole and not be fired. Same thing here. There are certain things you don't do and when you put your employer in a bad light, you get suspended. Don't like it don't watch A&E.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Never said they serve as examples, just that they are protesting in favor of him.
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So, what's the point.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
Yes

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When?? Where? Did i state he was part of Westboro? That he like Westboro? That he supports Westboro? I simply stated that Westboro is coming out to support him via protest. I never said that the Duck Dynasty guy supports this move or applauds this move. I simply stated that Westboro is planning a protest in support of him.
 
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Kushinator said:
There is a big difference between making a positive statement (not expressing judgement) with a normative statement (expressing judgement). Duck Dynasty either needs a better PR/legal team, or needs to take the advice of the one(s) they have.
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I meant a person making a statement in favor of homosexuality (which is expressing a moral judgement), not the mere statement that they are gay.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
That some fellow bigots are coming out in support of him.
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So you're associating them with him, while he does not claim their wacky beliefs. This is like using terrorists to represent Muslims.
 
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TheNextEra said:
The simple fact is the patriarch of the family was allowed to say what he wanted and A&E was free to suspend him for it. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can call your boss an asshole and not be fired. Same thing here. There are certain things you don't do and when you put your employer in a bad light, you get suspended. Don't like it don't watch A&E.
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Meh, a&e is responding to threats and possible financial repercussions from groups like GLAAD. Which is certainly their right and likely in their interest. But the failure here is on the part of such organizations thinking that trying to drown out and suppress such views is the strategically and morally right thing to do.

Unfortunately the debate on Gay rights is far from a consensus, and while there is a natural demographic shift going on, and I think a clear consensus on the issue is inevitable, it isn't going to be helped by having groups running around trying to force people into acceptance (as demonstrated by the general response to both this and the chick-a-fila protests). Cooler and more rational heads would have simply used both incidents to publicly challenge such ideas and expose them for what they were

All this does is lend credibility to the idea traditional american values are being openly attacked
 
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ecofarm said:
So you're associating them with him, while he does not claim their wacky beliefs. This is like using terrorists to represent Muslims.
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Or Stalin socialists
 
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ecofarm said:
So you're associating them with him, while he does not claim their wacky beliefs. This is like using terrorists to represent Muslims.
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No i am not. I believe Westboro is a bigot and i believe this Duck Dynasty guy is also a bigot. However i view Westboro as extremists and much bigger bigots. I dont believe the Duck Dynasty guy is apart of Westboro, or even likes them. I simply stated that a bigoted group is coming out to protest in support another bigot. I dont know how the Ducky Dynasty guy views Westboro, but i would put my money that he does not like them.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
When?? Where? Did i state he was part of Westboro? That he like Westboro? That he supports Westboro? I simply stated that Westboro is coming out to support him via protest. I never said that the Duck Dynasty guy supports this move or applauds this move. I simply stated that Westboro is planning a protest in support of him.
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Either your being your usual intellectually dishonest self or are intellectually dull. I'll let you choose
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
Either your being your usual intellectually dishonest self or are intellectually dull. I'll let you choose
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I forget you always have the high horse..... :roll:
So you cant answer any of my questions?
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
No i am not. I believe Westboro is a bigot and i believe this Duck Dynasty guy is also a bigot.
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Terrorists are Muslims and Americans are Muslims...
 
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TheNextEra said:
The simple fact is the patriarch of the family was allowed to say what he wanted and A&E was free to suspend him for it. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can call your boss an asshole and not be fired. Same thing here. There are certain things you don't do and when you put your employer in a bad light, you get suspended. Don't like it don't watch A&E.
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This isn't an issue of insulting your employer. This is a very specific case of someone being fired for a expressing a religious/moral opinion. I believe this is illegal under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act which prohibits an employer from discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex and national origin - and I would think a contract shouldn't matter on that issue.

Btw, I've never even watched the show, lol
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
I forget you always have the high horse..... :roll:
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Attacking me does nothing to address your intellectual issue above


So you cant answer any of my questions?
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as usual your question really have no bearing on what is being discussed and simply seek to evade the issue. For example: if in response to you expressing some socialist principle I would go "Stalin supported that" I'm clearly trying to associate you and that belief with Stalin. It doesn't matter if I don't make my association more explicit.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
Meh, a&e is responding to threats and possible financial repercussions from groups like GLAAD. Which is certainly their right and likely in their interest. But the failure here is on the part of such organizations thinking that trying to drown out and suppress such views is the strategically and morally right thing to do.

Unfortunately the debate on Gay rights is far from a consensus, and while there is a natural demographic shift going on, and I think a clear consensus on the issue is inevitable, it isn't going to be helped by having groups running around trying to force people into acceptance (as demonstrated by the general response to both this and the chick-a-fila protests). Cooler and more rational heads would have simply used both incidents to publicly challenge such ideas and expose them for what they were

All this does is lend credibility to the idea traditional american values are being openly attacked
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Traditional values are being openly attacked? Puuuhhhlease. If attacking homosexuals is "traditional values" then good riddance.' It used to be "traditional" for races to only marry amongst the same race.

No, traditional values are not being attacked, a station is standing up for gays like they have a right to.

If a worker on a Christian show openly complained about Christians and how Christianity leads to fascism, I would support that station suspending or firing the worker.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
Attacking me does nothing to address your intellectual issue above
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Yes because post #1239 isnt a personal attack at all :roll:


as usual your question really have no bearing on what is being discussed and simply seek to evade the issue. For example: if in response to you expressing some socialist principle I would go "Stalin supported that" I'm clearly trying to associate you and that belief with Stalin. It doesn't matter if I don't make my association more explicit.
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Im not associating them nor have i ever. Westbroro is planning to support the guy via protest. This is an event that is going to occur.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
Yes, look how well the chik-a-fila boycotts worked~!!!
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The Cracker Barrel pulled all Phil's merchandise, lasted all of one day before they caved.
 
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ecofarm said:
Terrorists are Muslims and Americans are Muslims...
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Both in my opinion being bigots does not associate them together... In my opinion both are bigots. Another example is the KKK are The New Black Panthers are both bigots but they are not associated together...
 
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TheNextEra said:
Traditional values are being openly attacked? Puuuhhhlease.
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Can you read: "All this does is lend credibility to the idea traditional american values are being openly attacked"

Not the part "lends credibility", and the lack of "is". And regardless if that is correct or not, clearly a large segment of the population views this and the chick-a-fila boycott as an attack on traditional values


If attacking homosexuals is "traditional values" then good riddance.' It used to be "traditional" for races to only marry amongst the same race.
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Again, try reading: "Unfortunately the debate on Gay rights is far from a consensus, and while there is a natural demographic shift going on, and I think a clear consensus on the issue is inevitable, it isn't going to be helped by having groups running around trying to force people into acceptance (as demonstrated by the general response to both this and the chick-a-fila protests)."

No, traditional values are not being attacked, a station is standing up for gays like they have a right to.
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If the concern here on a&e's part was moral integrity they would have never given the guy a show to begin with. Their response is one of financial concern, which I fully understand and take no issue with. My problem is that if you're trying to promote the opposite view than this guy (GLAAD), then you are going about it completely wrong, on both a moral and strategic perspective
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Both in my opinion being bigots does not associate them together... In my opinion both are bigots. Another example is the KKK are The New Black Panthers are both bigots but they are not associated together...
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What?
 
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TML said:
This isn't an issue of insulting your employer. This is a very specific case of someone being fired for a expressing a religious/moral opinion. I believe this is illegal under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act which prohibits an employer from discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex and national origin - and I would think a contract shouldn't matter on that issue.

Btw, I've never even watched the show, lol
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Good thing you aren't a lawyer then. :lamo

No it sent against the law to suspend him. He wasn't suspended because of his religion.
 
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