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'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E (W: 742)

Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

His personal opinion and beliefs are not moronic.
You do not have to agree with them, but saying they are moronic, is well, moronic and bigoted.


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no. it was moronic to express such intolerant views
A&E's subsequent actions have confirmed this

and if expressing that makes me bigoted against morons, then i can live with it
 
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Sure, I am the bigot for disagreeing or disliking the comment of a bigot. I call that conservative reasoning, attack all those who dare to expose bigots for the bigotry by calling them bigots.

This whole thing was over a question asked. What was he supposed to do, refuse to answer, so as not to offend with his answer to a religious question? Yours, and the gay community stance on this is to be offended by the bible not Phil. He is just the easy target for intolerant cowards
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

This whole thing was over a question asked. What was he supposed to do, refuse to answer, so as not to offend with his answer to a religious question? Yours, and the gay community stance on this is to be offended by the bible not Phil. He is just the easy target for intolerant cowards

He could have said that he would not make comments about that subject or that he personally thinks homosexuality is not in accordance with his religious beliefs.

That is something that even A&E would most likely have been at peace with.

He did not do that, he said things in such a manner (about not only homosexuality but about blacks too) that made A&E decide not to work with him anymore.

And he made himself a target mostly for how he said things IMHO and not because he does not agree with homosexuality or gay weddings etc.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

This whole thing was over a question asked. What was he supposed to do, refuse to answer, so as not to offend with his answer to a religious question?
he could have cited the ten commandments as his guide. but he didn't. he instead pointed to homosexuals as a group engaging in an unacceptable manner. hardly a tolerant view ... but a belief which passed a generation or two ago, like discriminating against people of color was then found acceptable

Yours, and the gay community stance on this is to be offended by the bible not Phil.
the bible is filled with offensive comments
which should cause people with a mind to ponder any such religion which would embrace such offensive positions
but phil expressed his personal embrace of such intolerant views
and now he is suspended from his job for his intolerant positions publicly expressed, because his employer does not want to be viewed as subscribing to such intolerant beliefs by its association with him

He is just the easy target for intolerant cowards
his personal intolerance made himself a very easy target to be gunned down
and we didn't even need a duck call ... well, other than the one he provided
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

This whole thing was over a question asked. What was he supposed to do, refuse to answer, so as not to offend with his answer to a religious question? Yours, and the gay community stance on this is to be offended by the bible not Phil. He is just the easy target for intolerant cowards

He went above and beyond simply answering the question and delivered a sermon. Obviously, Duck man fancies himself the second coming of Ted Nugent.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Now THAT was an unfortunate yet revealing(?) typo.

Just got a tablet with a keyboard. I make lots of spelling errors. It is extremely sensitive.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

I however do find what Phil Robertson said about gays and blacks to be moronic.
Which is bigoted.
One, a persons religious beliefs, that something is a sin, is not moronic. You couldn't even show that it is. So yes, your saying so is bigoted.
Two, a person's own experience is an experience that you in no way can say is moronic. It is what he experienced. So yes, your saying so is bigoted.


You may not see his remarks as very foolish or stupid but I do.
And you are seeing things wrongly.


The things he said about gays are very stupid IMHO and what he says about the happy black people before the human rights movement is both very foolish and stupid.
And you are wrong.


And as said, I see his comments as bigoted and that is just how I feel. That might make me in your eyes a bigot but in my eyes I am not being bigoted but merely reacting on something I see as bigoted.
Which is what a bigot says.





no. it was moronic to express such intolerant views
:doh
Saying something is a sin is not an intolerable view.
It is a belief supposedly handed down by G_d. A belief that you can not prove to be untrue.


A&E's subsequent actions have confirmed this
A&E actions just say they are willing not to actually look at the evidence and to cave to homosexual PC bs. That is all.
We will see if they rethink their position.


and if expressing that makes me bigoted against morons, then i can live with it
:doh Not against morons. Against normal folks.
And either way, that is what bigots say.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

no. it was moronic to express such intolerant views
A&E's subsequent actions have confirmed this

and if expressing that makes me bigoted against morons, then i can live with it

What exactly were those intolerant views??

I read through that article three times and didn't see anything that wasn't established religious positions. Other than that he just stated a personal preference.

In this case it's the GLAAD group that are being intolerant of religious beliefs.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

What exactly were those intolerant views??

I read through that article three times and didn't see anything that wasn't established religious positions. Other than that he just stated a personal preference.

In this case it's the GLAAD group that are being intolerant of religious beliefs.

so, if he had relied on biblical passages supportive of slavery, then that would have absolved him of being intolerant to people of color
only to you and those like you, such as the westboro baptist church, which has announced its intent to picket A&E in support of phil robertson, would offer up such an outlandish proposition that slavery is acceptable because the bible says so
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Just got a tablet with a keyboard. I make lots of spelling errors. It is extremely sensitive.
... can't do God's work without a righteous keyboard.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

I rarely go shopping besides tools, bicycle stores and sporting goods stores, but this time of year I do go Christmas shopping. One of the things I noticed was all the Duck Dynasty stuff everywhere. I bet this whole thing is advertising just like Chik-FilA thing was. I bet the dynasty sells a lot more stuff because of it.
 
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so, if he had relied on biblical passages supportive of slavery, then that would have absolved him of being intolerant to people of color
only to you and those like you, such as the westboro baptist church, which has announced its intent to picket A&E in support of phil robertson, would offer up such an outlandish proposition that slavery is acceptable because the bible says so

No, it's not absolving him... but really his position was hardly one of hate.

But look at aids, what are the biggest risk groups ?? According to the CDC it's in order : white MSM (man who has sex with men), black MSM, then Hispanic MSM.

As for slavery, guess what everyone was owning slaves, and it didn't matter on the race of the slave... and even in America, the white slaves were worse off than the black slaves. You see the black slaves were property that could be traded or sold. The white slaves on the other hand were more like prisoners who only had costs so, if it came to a choice they would only "maintain" black slaves.

This isn't saying slavery was good, but there are realities of slavery that are neglected from an American perspective... that in spite of how terrible "white people" were to black, it was ultimately white people that put an end to most of the slavery in the world.

However, he didn't say anything outright ignorant, nor does it seem as it's from a position of hatred. He really just stated an opinion.

So, in this case it's really just the LGBT community that's being intolerant and overly sensitive.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

I rarely go shopping besides tools, bicycle stores and sporting goods stores, but this time of year I do go Christmas shopping. One of the things I noticed was all the Duck Dynasty stuff everywhere. I bet this whole thing is advertising just like Chik-FilA thing was. I bet the dynasty sells a lot more stuff because of it.

yep. excellent PR for the show. ad at almost no cost
a bunch of folks two have never been interested to watch it (like me) will now watch the show (unlike me)
 
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No, it's not absolving him... but really his position was hardly one of hate.

But look at aids, what are the biggest risk groups ?? According to the CDC it's in order : white MSM (man who has sex with men), black MSM, then Hispanic MSM.

As for slavery, guess what everyone was owning slaves, and it didn't matter on the race of the slave... and even in America, the white slaves were worse off than the black slaves. You see the black slaves were property that could be traded or sold. The white slaves on the other hand were more like prisoners who only had costs so, if it came to a choice they would only "maintain" black slaves.

This isn't saying slavery was good, but there are realities of slavery that are neglected from an American perspective... that in spite of how terrible "white people" were to black, it was ultimately white people that put an end to most of the slavery in the world.

However,
he didn't say anything outright ignorant, nor does it seem as it's from a position of hatred. He really just stated an opinion.

So, in this case it's really just the LGBT community that's being intolerant and overly sensitive.
oh, he said something extremely ignorant
he believes that homosexuals should have less rights than heterosexuals. how is that NOT an ignorant statement

it is phil robertson who is putting his intolerance on display, NOT the LGBT community ... all they want is to be treated with equality
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

He could have said that he would not make comments about that subject or that he personally thinks homosexuality is not in accordance with his religious beliefs.

That is something that even A&E would most likely have been at peace with.

He did not do that, he said things in such a manner (about not only homosexuality but about blacks too) that made A&E decide not to work with him anymore.

And he made himself a target mostly for how he said things IMHO and not because he does not agree with homosexuality or gay weddings etc.

So now everyone should worry about offending any minority special interest group right? Nonsense
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

he could have cited the ten commandments as his guide. but he didn't. he instead pointed to homosexuals as a group engaging in an unacceptable manner. hardly a tolerant view ... but a belief which passed a generation or two ago, like discriminating against people of color was then found acceptable


the bible is filled with offensive comments
which should cause people with a mind to ponder any such religion which would embrace such offensive positions
but phil expressed his personal embrace of such intolerant views
and now he is suspended from his job for his intolerant positions publicly expressed, because his employer does not want to be viewed as subscribing to such intolerant beliefs by its association with him


his personal intolerance made himself a very easy target to be gunned down
and we didn't even need a duck call ... well, other than the one he provided

Bull ****!
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

I did not say that it did. I was talking in general about how anti-gay comments contribute to an atmosphere of disrespect, hatred and possibly violence.

You clearly tried to equate them

Gays have to live with hatred, disapproval and unfair and biased comments and opinions and I think it is perfectly acceptable if they speak up against a very public figure who has anti-gay opinions.

Yes, anti-gay opinions, not hat crimes and discrimination, which your above rant concerned ...


That is your opinion, I disagree

No, it's not my opinion, it's a fact they are not the same thing. And to try and act as if they are is the very height of dishonesty
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

to a properly raised five year old, they would recognize his words as bigoted upon hearing them
what seems to have the reich wing's panties in a bunch is that his employer imposed consequences for its employee making public expressions which were potentially damaging to the employer because of an affiliation with this 19th century yokel

A&E certainly has a right to terminate his employment, but let's not act as if their actions were anything but a response to a threatened boycott. A threatened boycott designed to remove his speech from the public arena and an act that serves no larger agenda in a positive manner. As I said, all it accomplishes is to push such attitudes and views underground and lend legitimacy to them through the perception of persecution. You're better off just using your own public podium to address them and reveal them for the stupidity they are
 
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oh, he said something extremely ignorant
he believes that homosexuals should have less rights than heterosexuals. how is that NOT an ignorant statement

it is phil robertson who is putting his intolerance on display, NOT the LGBT community ... all they want is to be treated with equality
Considering he is a fundie, I am not surprised to hear him say that...and neither should be A&E.

What gets me...is what lies at the heart of this statement.
“Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong … Sin becomes fine. Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men … “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right … “

Sex is sin.

Why do fundies always revert back to focusing on sex? It's as if all sin was derived from Sex. But, yet, Jesus---who I assume these people really want to follow---never really spoke out against sex.

Sex, and every archaic rule associated with it, was mentioned in the Old Testament. Sure. But, it's not mentioned much in the new one. I thought the whole idea of Jesus was to put the old T to rest. After all, no one really follows all the crazy stuff written in that version of the Bible. For example, who follows any of this anyway?
11 Things The Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway - 11 Points
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

I rarely go shopping besides tools, bicycle stores and sporting goods stores, but this time of year I do go Christmas shopping. One of the things I noticed was all the Duck Dynasty stuff everywhere. I bet this whole thing is advertising just like Chik-FilA thing was. I bet the dynasty sells a lot more stuff because of it.

of course they will, because people don't like the idea that they can't hold dissenting opinions
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

of course they will, because people don't like the idea that they can't hold dissenting opinions

Yeah, I couldn't help noticing all the Martin Brashir stuff being sold at the Wal-Mart :roll:
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Yeah, I couldn't help noticing all the Martin Brashir stuff being sold at the Wal-Mart :roll:

1)Serious, this must be one of the laughable arguments to come out of this discussion: In what way do you imagine a journalist, on his news show, is held to the same professional standards as a reality TV star?

2) he didn't even present a personal opinion about a social issue, he attacked an individual.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

He could have said that he would not make comments about that subject or that he personally thinks homosexuality is not in accordance with his religious beliefs.

That is something that even A&E would most likely have been at peace with.

He did not do that, he said things in such a manner (about not only homosexuality but about blacks too) that made A&E decide not to work with him anymore.

And he made himself a target mostly for how he said things IMHO and not because he does not agree with homosexuality or gay weddings etc.

A&E didn't know they had a problem with anything he said until GLAAD told them they did.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

1)Serious, this must be one of the laughable arguments to come out of this discussion: In what way do you imagine a journalist, on his news show, is held to the same professional standards as a reality TV star?
Oh, so no MSNBC is a "News Show". Really? Isn't that convenient.

2) he didn't even present a personal opinion about a social issue, he attacked an individual.
No. He attacked her asinine position, comparing slavery to the national debt, which resulted in a crude remark.
 
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Oh, so no MSNBC is a "News Show". Really? Isn't that convenient.

lol, is this a serious question? If not news programming, what exactly is the type of programming you think MSNBC is peddling?


No. He attacked her asinine position, comparing slavery to the national debt, which resulted in a crude remark.

Calamity, if I suggest someone needs to **** in your mouth, clearly my comments are directed at you as an individual, not the idea you are expressing. Because ****ting in your mouth does nothing to address the idea you are expressing
 
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