'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E (W: 742)

j-mac · Dec 21, 2013

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Peter King said:
Sorry, but then why should anyone tolerate conservatives? They have no more rights to that than that gays have.

Why would we tolerate people like Phil Robertson, he is free to his opinion and so am I. If Robertson does not want to be disrespected/insulted than he should not make publicly make his insulting comments, if you insult people you might get insults back.

But the reaction of A&E is not disrespectful but they are just standing up for their employees and other people who happen to be gay.

Then you are intolerant, you are the real bigot, if that is the case.

ttwtt78640 · Dec 21, 2013

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Born Free said:
Go it, you are one of those liberals that are intolerant and discriminate against people that don't believe as you do.

But Phil was found guilty of wrong speak and wrong think. Phil is not a member of a special protected class.

Peter King · Dec 21, 2013

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Dr. Chuckles said:
I'm not sure why the terms "hate crime" and "discriminated" are even being used here. But on the topic of "insulted" people need to realize at this point and time we are going through a shift n views concerning homosexuality and that actively trying to root out such opinions is going to be counter productive in the long run. Better to let them die their natural death and address them in the court of public opinion. That way they get exposed for the stupidity they are and you don't inadvertently validate the idea that such views are being actively suppressed

You do not sure why hate crimes and being discriminated are being used here? Well, those are the extreme reactions to vile anti-gay views not unlike Robertson vocalizes. He might not be doing it or approving of it but it is the reality that gays have to live with. Sadly anti-gay crime is still a problem and with people saying anti-gay comments does not help in the fights of anti-gay crime.

What Robertson said may not have been as horrible as Kevin Swanson said:

I think you can attend a [gay] wedding if you hold up a sign that reads Leviticus 20:13

In other words, attend a wedding and tell the couple that they should be murdered. Because that is what leviticus says:

"If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

I understand that in the US you can spew all the hatred you want but if you do that, like Phil Robertson, you should expect push-back from those who disagree with him.

Excon · Dec 21, 2013

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Peter King said:
Here is how I see it:

Phil Robertson is free to have his moronic and archaic views about gays and is free to say his hurtful and stupid comments because he is a person with an opinion (guaranteed by the constitution).

A&E is free to have their views about gays and their views about how they do not agree with the hurtful and stupid comments made by Phil Robertson and they are free to act upon this because they too have the same freedom of speech rights as Robertson has. A&E for all purposes intended is a person under the constitution and thus have a constitutional right to free speech as well. And if you are of that opinion that the words of Robertson are totally unacceptable for you as a person/company, you have the right to not cooperate with such a person anymore.

Also, Phil Robertson did not only make anti-gay comments but he also made moronic comments about blacks, the moron and chief of the Ducks stated:

“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

Phil Robertson On Racism In GQ Article - Business Insider

Sure, in the segregated period of the United States blacks were happy working the fields and singing. And the Blues according to the Duckster must have taken place after they were "entitled", when they were happy slaving away on the fields not having real civil rights.

His personal opinion and beliefs are not moronic.
You do not have to agree with them, but saying they are moronic, is well, moronic and bigoted.

Peter King · Dec 21, 2013

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Born Free said:
Go it, you are one of those liberals that are intolerant and discriminate against people that don't believe as you do.

So again, I have to be tolerant to people who refuse to be tolerant themselves, people who have voiced their own intolerant points of view?

I am not the one who started to be intolerant. I have no problem with people who privately think being gay is a sin, but if they voice their intolerance than they have to expect gays and the people who support the equal rights movement for gays to disapprove of those comments.

Peter King · Dec 21, 2013

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j-mac said:
Then you are intolerant, you are the real bigot, if that is the case.

Sure, I am the bigot for disagreeing or disliking the comment of a bigot. I call that conservative reasoning, attack all those who dare to expose bigots for the bigotry by calling them bigots.

winston53660 · Dec 21, 2013

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Excon said:
His personal opinion and beliefs are not moronic.
You do not have to agree with them, but saying they are moronic, is well, moronic and bigoted.

As if comparing equating homosexuality to beastality isnt moronic.....

Excon · Dec 21, 2013

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winston53660 said:
As if comparing equating homosexuality isnt moronic.....

He didn't do any such thing.
He was asked what he thought was sinful as he answered the question.
He did not compare or equate the two to each other. They are both sins as he stated.

apdst · Dec 21, 2013

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Grand Mal said:
What? There's no logic involved, it's just always been that way. If a TV station or network pays you to be on camera you'd better not say anything in public that they don't like. FOX fired Craig James last year for pretty much the same thing. I don't get why some are trying to make this a 'freedom of speech' issue. It isn't at all. If anything it's about the freedom of the employer. If you owned a brake and muffler shop and one of your guys kept calling women customers 'bitch' and black customers 'nigger' and Mexican customers 'spic', wouldn't you have the right to fire him? That jackass this thread's about alienated a slice of his employers potential audience. He's gone.

Obviously there's logic involved in your response.

Peter King · Dec 21, 2013

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Excon said:
His personal opinion and beliefs are not moronic.
You do not have to agree with them, but saying they are moronic, is well, moronic and bigoted.

That is your point of view, Robertson has the bigoted opinion that gays are sinners etc. etc. and I have the opinion that he is a moron. You might think that makes me bigoted but I think it is very fair to call a person who makes racially questionable and anti-gay comments a moron.

American · Dec 21, 2013

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Looks like A&E's cash-cow may go down the drain. Maybe A&E will lose a bunch of value in their stocks now. I doubt the Robertson family gives a **** one way or another.

winston53660 · Dec 21, 2013

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Excon said:
He didn't do any such thing.

Hogwash, he put them together to compare / equate them.

Excon · Dec 21, 2013

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Peter King said:
That is your point of view, Robertson has the bigoted opinion that gays are sinners etc. etc. and I have the opinion that he is a moron. You might think that makes me bigoted but I think it is very fair to call a person who makes racially questionable and anti-gay comments a moron.

And you are being absurd.
Saying you dislike something is fine.
Saying something is a sin is also fine and not bigoted as that is a religious belief. One you can not prove to be untrue.

Saying something is moronic is not fine. That is bigoted.

Excon · Dec 21, 2013

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winston53660 said:
Hogwash, he put them together to compare / equate them.

Yes your comment is hogwash, as it is not true.
He stated that they were sins. That is not comparing the two.

winston53660 · Dec 21, 2013

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Excon said:
And you are being absurd.
Saying you dislike something is fine.
Saying something is a sin is also fine and not bigoted as that is a religious belief. One you can not prove to be untrue.

Saying something is moronic is not fine. That is bigoted.

Wow so calling a duck a duck is bigoted

Excon · Dec 21, 2013

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winston53660 said:
Wow so calling a duck a duck is bigoted

Come back to reality, that isn't what is happening.

rhinefire · Dec 21, 2013

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America 2013 and beyond: You are not allowed an opinion and you are being watched by the NSA.

Dr. Chuckles · Dec 21, 2013

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Peter King said:
You do not sure why hate crimes and being discriminated are being used here?

Nothing stated in an interview can even approuching either one

Well, those are the extreme reactions to vile anti-gay views not unlike Robertson vocalizes.

So we are equivocating statements to the possible reactions to such statements? jesus man,talk about peddling bull**** to make a point

He might not be doing it or approving of it but it is the reality that gays have to live with.

You cited the terms to justify the reaction to his statements in the gq interview. Sorry, now going "well it happens to gay's as well" makes absolutely no sense

Sadly anti-gay crime is still a problem and with people saying anti-gay comments does not help in the fights of anti-gay crime.

They are in no way the same thing and to try an equate them is totally dishonest

Dr. Chuckles · Dec 21, 2013

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Jesus, the complete hysterics from both sides here is freaking laughable

Ockham · Dec 21, 2013

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Both sides have valid (removing the hysterics for a moment) points. One side says; The guy can say whatever he wants but A&E has the right to take action if they don't agree because of his contract or whatever. Basically "consequences". The other side says, what ever happened to tolerance and A&E knew what they were getting but as long as the ratings and money were coming in, it's all good. Tolerance seems to only go one way.

:shrug:

Peter King · Dec 21, 2013

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Excon said:
And you are being absurd.
Saying you dislike something is fine.
Saying something is a sin is also fine and not bigoted as that is a religious belief. One you can not prove to be untrue.

Saying something is moronic is not fine. That is bigoted.

And that is your opinion and I respect that. I however do find what Phil Robertson said about gays and blacks to be moronic. You may not see his remarks as very foolish or stupid but I do. The things he said about gays are very stupid IMHO and what he says about the happy black people before the human rights movement is both very foolish and stupid.

And as said, I see his comments as bigoted and that is just how I feel. That might make me in your eyes a bigot but in my eyes I am not being bigoted but merely reacting on something I see as bigoted.

justabubba · Dec 21, 2013

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Born Free said:
Intolerant, that is a word that is being batted around like a pinata, the gays lesbians etc were demanding tolerance for their views. Now I have to ask where is the same tolerance for a person speaking his views that you don't agree with. There is a word for that, hypocrite.

yes, pointing out his obvious bigotry is so intolerant
stay with that if it makes you sleep better

Peter King · Dec 21, 2013

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Dr. Chuckles said:
Nothing stated in an interview can even approuching either one

I did not say that it did. I was talking in general about how anti-gay comments contribute to an atmosphere of disrespect, hatred and possibly violence.

Dr. Chuckles said:
So we are equivocating statements to the possible reactions to such statements? jesus man,talk about peddling bull**** to make a point

I am not doing anything. I am just of the opinion that what he said are anti-gay comments which he is free to voice but that other people (me included) are free to disagree with. Just as A&E has the right not to work with someone who has those kinds of opinions and voices them publicly.

Dr. Chuckles said:
You cited the terms to justify the reaction to his statements in the gq interview. Sorry, now going "well it happens to gay's as well" makes absolutely no sense

Gays have to live with hatred, disapproval and unfair and biased comments and opinions and I think it is perfectly acceptable if they speak up against a very public figure who has anti-gay opinions.

Dr. Chuckles said:
They are in no way the same thing and to try an equate them is totally dishonest

That is your opinion, I disagree with that because there are loads of idiots (most likely not Robertson himself or people he knows) who see this as another reason to go and fight gays with all possible means.

justabubba · Dec 21, 2013

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Dr. Chuckles said:
And you know what, at this point and time it's a view shared by a very large segment of the population and isn't going to be addressed or changed by publically exiling every person that states it in public. You're much better off actually addressing such ideas as opposed to trying to drive them underground, especially when they are still largely acceptable among a significant amount of the population

to a properly raised five year old, they would recognize his words as bigoted upon hearing them
what seems to have the reich wing's panties in a bunch is that his employer imposed consequences for its employee making public expressions which were potentially damaging to the employer because of an affiliation with this 19th century yokel

justabubba · Dec 21, 2013

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j-mac said:
He was asked a set up question by the interviewer about sin and he ticked off what the bible says is a sin. For that you label him a bigot. So, as you state here, if you do that, it makes you a bigot. I can only assume then that you think Christians are bigots.

Oh, and btw, what is this crap about one believing the bible but not saying it outloud? I think that makes you the bigot.

he was asked a question about sin and replied with comments which were highly bigoted
those comments expressed his personal bigotry no matter what his faith happened to be
so, you want this to be another perceived instance of Christian persecution because you have nothing else as a defense for his stupidity
but sorry, that defense won't work either, because this has nothing to do with his religion, only his bigoted views

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