'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E (W: 742)

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bubbabgone said:

Now THAT was an unfortunate yet revealing(?) typo.

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Seems to be a lot of that happening lately, doesn't it? :mrgreen:

Good evening, bubba! :2wave:

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polgara said:

Seems to be a lot of that happening lately, doesn't it? :mrgreen:

Good evening, bubba! :2wave:

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hey Pol.
yeah ... sometimes the stars align juuuuuust right.

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Hmm, this thread looks interesting, methinks I heard about it on radio news...

Holy ****, HOW many posts?!?!

**** that.

My comment: Sounds like another case of some statement being taken out of context and misconstrued, to sell more news.

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bubbabgone said:

hey Pol.
yeah ... sometimes the stars align juuuuuust right.

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:lamo: :applaud:

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justabubba said:

no, bigoted beliefs - and the expression of them, is what makes him a bigot

just as if he had cited passages of the bible which tolerate slavery; doing so would not make him any less a bigot if he had used such biblical references to justify slavery

phil has outed himself as a bigot. loud and clear. whether by ignorance, or religious belief, or both

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Is it bigotry to be repelled by bestiality?

(by your logic, yes, yes it is.)

Is it bigotry to shun prostitution?

(by your logic, yes, yes it is.)

Apparently when sexual choice is shunned, it is now bigotry.

E.G. bigotry means nothing now

Is it bigotry to call someone ignorant for expressing their beliefs?

(by your logic, yes, yes it is.)

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calamity said:

So, it looks like the Lefty got a harsher punishment than the Bible Thumper...but, yet all the RW'ers here can't seem to get over the fact that Phil is being asked to leave.

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How so, it isn't anyone's fault he does a live show but his.

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apdst said:

So, by that logic Critical gave up his right to date who he wants. Yes?

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What? There's no logic involved, it's just always been that way. If a TV station or network pays you to be on camera you'd better not say anything in public that they don't like. FOX fired Craig James last year for pretty much the same thing. I don't get why some are trying to make this a 'freedom of speech' issue. It isn't at all. If anything it's about the freedom of the employer. If you owned a brake and muffler shop and one of your guys kept calling women customers 'bitch' and black customers 'nigger' and Mexican customers 'spic', wouldn't you have the right to fire him? That jackass this thread's about alienated a slice of his employers potential audience. He's gone.

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SingleCellOrganism said:

Is it bigotry to be repelled by bestiality?

(by your logic, yes, yes it is.)

Is it bigotry to shun prostitution?

(by your logic, yes, yes it is.)

Apparently when sexual choice is shunned, it is now bigotry.

E.G. bigotry means nothing now

Is it bigotry to call someone ignorant for expressing their beliefs?

(by your logic, yes, yes it is.)

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here's a hint: if you inveigh against the ability of persons to choose their own sexual orientation, then you are a bigot
doesn't matter how much you try to package that belief as consistent with your faith, you're a bigot. maybe religious, but also an intolerant bigot

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justabubba said:

here's a hint: if you inveigh against the ability of persons to choose their own sexual orientation, then you are a bigot
doesn't matter how much you try to package that belief as consistent with your faith, you're a bigot. maybe religious, but also an intolerant bigot

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As I see it...expressing a personal opinion can but is not necessarily bigotry. It depends on the opinion. More specifically, it depends on the context of the opinion

For example, saying "I think black people are stupid" would be bigotry.
But saying "I think X person (who happens to be black) is stupid" would NOT be bigotry. Even if that person was in truth far smarter than you, you're still addressing them as an individual, rather than a group.

Really, I suppose, it's assigning characteristics to a group rather than an individual that is bigotry. Even if accurate in a general way.

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The Mark said:

As I see it...expressing a personal opinion can but is not necessarily bigotry. It depends on the opinion. More specifically, it depends on the context of the opinion

For example, saying "I think black people are stupid" would be bigotry.
But saying "I think X person (who happens to be black) is stupid" would NOT be bigotry. Even if that person was in truth far smarter than you, you're still addressing them as an individual, rather than a group.

Really, I suppose, it's assigning characteristics to a group rather than an individual that is bigotry. Even if accurate in a general way.

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here are his statements:

“Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong. Sin becomes fine,” he said in the interview. “Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men.”

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“They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’ — not a word!” Robertson said. “Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy?They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

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no doubt. phil robertson is a bigot. his own words condemn him

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mike2810 said:

and that is the way it is, December 2013.

This is not the USA I grew up it. It sliding down a hill into the dump. Don't express your beliefs, it will get you fired.

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Doing dumb things gets you fired. This qualifies as one of them. Its always been that way.

I went to one of his hunting seminars years ago before his dynasty show and let me say, he said some dumb **** there too. I could quote him saying, "lets say you sneak up on three wood ducks on a pond, you pull up your gun, you are gonna shoot at them, you dont care about the fact that the game warden says you can only shoot 2..." Now don't get me wrong, I thought it was funny, but as a professional representing waterfowl hunters why would you say something like that? Plain stupid, not surprised by the recent news. I dont feel sorry for idiots.

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Question. Has the butthurt died down, or are some people still choosing not to accept reality?

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Here is how I see it:

Phil Robertson is free to have his moronic and archaic views about gays and is free to say his hurtful and stupid comments because he is a person with an opinion (guaranteed by the constitution).

A&E is free to have their views about gays and their views about how they do not agree with the hurtful and stupid comments made by Phil Robertson and they are free to act upon this because they too have the same freedom of speech rights as Robertson has. A&E for all purposes intended is a person under the constitution and thus have a constitutional right to free speech as well. And if you are of that opinion that the words of Robertson are totally unacceptable for you as a person/company, you have the right to not cooperate with such a person anymore.

Also, Phil Robertson did not only make anti-gay comments but he also made moronic comments about blacks, the moron and chief of the Ducks stated:

“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

Phil Robertson On Racism In GQ Article - Business Insider

Sure, in the segregated period of the United States blacks were happy working the fields and singing. And the Blues according to the Duckster must have taken place after they were "entitled", when they were happy slaving away on the fields not having real civil rights.

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justabubba said:

here's a hint: if you inveigh against the ability of persons to choose their own sexual orientation, then you are a bigot
doesn't matter how much you try to package that belief as consistent with your faith, you're a bigot. maybe religious, but also an intolerant bigot

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Intolerant, that is a word that is being batted around like a pinata, the gays lesbians etc were demanding tolerance for their views. Now I have to ask where is the same tolerance for a person speaking his views that you don't agree with. There is a word for that, hypocrite.

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Born Free said:

Intolerant, that is a word that is being batted around like a pinata, the gays lesbians etc were demanding tolerance for their views. Now I have to ask where is the same tolerance for a person speaking his views that you don't agree with. There is a word for that, hypocrite.

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Sorry to disagree, they are not looking for tolerance but for equal rights under the law and they wish not to be insulted, discriminated or to be the victims of violent hate crimes.

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Peter King said:

Here is how I see it:

Phil Robertson is free to have his moronic and archaic views about gays and is free to say his hurtful and stupid comments because he is a person with an opinion (guaranteed by the constitution).

A&E is free to have their views about gays and their views about how they do not agree with the hurtful and stupid comments made by Phil Robertson and they are free to act upon this because they too have the same freedom of speech rights as Robertson has. A&E for all purposes intended is a person under the constitution and thus have a constitutional right to free speech as well. And if you are of that opinion that the words of Robertson are totally unacceptable for you as a person/company, you have the right to not cooperate with such a person anymore.

Also, Phil Robertson did not only make anti-gay comments but he also made moronic comments about blacks, the moron and chief of the Ducks stated:

“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

Phil Robertson On Racism In GQ Article - Business Insider

Sure, in the segregated period of the United States blacks were happy working the fields and singing. And the Blues according to the Duckster must have taken place after they were "entitled", when they were happy slaving away on the fields not having real civil rights.

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WOW, this is almost as sick as the illogical leap into bestiality.

What does the bold read?

So what was he talking about national stage or personal experience?

You progressives are something else, really...

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Peter King said:

Sorry to disagree, they are not looking for tolerance but for equal rights under the law and they wish not to be insulted, discriminated or to be the victims of violent hate crimes.

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Wanting equal rights is asking for tolerance, nothing more than a person speaking his views under the right of free speech. A person expressing his/her views also do not want to be insulted. Further a person that does speak his/her views do not want to be discriminated against by being fired, in the Duck case. Last a person speaking their views under the right of free speech surly does not want to be the victim of violent hate crimes.

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Peter King said:

Sorry to disagree, they are not looking for tolerance but for equal rights under the law and they wish not to be insulted, discriminated or to be the victims of violent hate crimes.

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I'm not sure why the terms "hate crime" and "discriminated" are even being used here. But on the topic of "insulted" people need to realize at this point and time we are going through a shift n views concerning homosexuality and that actively trying to root out such opinions is going to be counter productive in the long run. Better to let them die their natural death and address them in the court of public opinion. That way they get exposed for the stupidity they are and you don't inadvertently validate the idea that such views are being actively suppressed

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Born Free said:

Wanting equal rights is asking for tolerance

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Actually equal rights and tolerance are not the same thing and people really need to stop confusing the two

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justabubba said:

no doubt. phil robertson is a bigot. his own words condemn him

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And you know what, at this point and time it's a view shared by a very large segment of the population and isn't going to be addressed or changed by publically exiling every person that states it in public. You're much better off actually addressing such ideas as opposed to trying to drive them underground, especially when they are still largely acceptable among a significant amount of the population

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Amazing priorities that keep dumb **** like this going strong at 110 pages, UFB.

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Born Free said:

Wanting equal rights is asking for tolerance, nothing more than a person speaking his views under the right of free speech. A person expressing his/her views also do not want to be insulted. Further a person that does speak his/her views do not want to be discriminated against by being fired, in the Duck case. Last a person speaking their views under the right of free speech surly does not want to be the victim of violent hate crimes.

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Sorry, but then why should anyone tolerate conservatives? They have no more rights to that than that gays have.

Why would we tolerate people like Phil Robertson, he is free to his opinion and so am I. If Robertson does not want to be disrespected/insulted than he should not make publicly make his insulting comments, if you insult people you might get insults back.

But the reaction of A&E is not disrespectful but they are just standing up for their employees and other people who happen to be gay.

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justabubba said:

no, bigoted beliefs - and the expression of them, is what makes him a bigot

just as if he had cited passages of the bible which tolerate slavery; doing so would not make him any less a bigot if he had used such biblical references to justify slavery

phil has outed himself as a bigot. loud and clear. whether by ignorance, or religious belief, or both

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He was asked a set up question by the interviewer about sin and he ticked off what the bible says is a sin. For that you label him a bigot. So, as you state here, if you do that, it makes you a bigot. I can only assume then that you think Christians are bigots.

Oh, and btw, what is this crap about one believing the bible but not saying it outloud? I think that makes you the bigot.

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Peter King said:

Sorry, but then why should anyone tolerate conservatives? They have no more rights to that than that gays have.

Why would we tolerate people like Phil Robertson, he is free to his opinion and so am I. If Robertson does not want to be disrespected/insulted than he should not make publicly make his insulting comments, if you insult people you might get insults back.

But the reaction of A&E is not disrespectful but they are just standing up for their employees and other people who happen to be gay.

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Go it, you are one of those liberals that are intolerant and discriminate against people that don't believe as you do.

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Peter King said:

Sorry, but then why should anyone tolerate conservatives? They have no more rights to that than that gays have.

Why would we tolerate people like Phil Robertson, he is free to his opinion and so am I. If Robertson does not want to be disrespected/insulted than he should not make publicly make his insulting comments, if you insult people you might get insults back.

But the reaction of A&E is not disrespectful but they are just standing up for their employees and other people who happen to be gay.

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In the quest to destroy people by taking their words out of context, and by inserting intent that doesn't exist, activists are perhaps unknowningly proving their agenda is dangerous and reaches far beyond rights and recognition.

I fear the slippery slope they entered long ago is getting too steep to support people.