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'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E (W: 742)

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Fiddytree said:
Alright Nick. Should teachers be allowed to discuss democratic socialism from the perspective of those that prefer democratic socialism?
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You mean should teachers be allowed to promote ideas (in this case socialism) in the classroom? no, teachers should be smart enough to understand that would be wrong...

Teachers should have objectivity and any "teacher" that doesn't should not be one...

There is a difference between teaching and brainwashing...

I have absolutely no problem with teaching economic models, but pandering to one and neglecting or demonizing another is wrong...

Yes, I do have a problem with these big union socialist teachers brainwashing children in the 4th grade (or even younger) with Marxist nonsense.... Those kids aren't even capable of having an objective point of view on anything other than candy...
 
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Mr.Nick said:
You mean should teachers be aloud to promote ideas in the classroom? no, teachers should be smart enough to understand that would be wrong...

Teachers should have objectivity and any "teacher" that doesn't should not be one...

There is a difference between teaching and brainwashing...
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Notice how all I said was "discuss democratic socialism from the perspective of those who prefer democratic socialism" and you reverted to "no." Political correctness at work.

Alexis de Tocqueville explained much of this in Democracy in America. He figured that in democracy, there is a circle of acceptable social discussion, and once one peers beyond it, they face the pressure of the masses to keep quiet, or are shunned.
 
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Chaddelamancha said:
You know what also happens? People getting bombarded with the Christian tenants on a daily basis. Try and think about one day you have had where you didn't witness anything that has ties to the Christian religion. The are organizations whose sole purpose is to do exactly that.

People of the Christian faith are supposed to spread the message, it's part of their beliefs. And when they do that, inevitably they are going to run into opposition. It's a two way street.
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I'm not saying that christians dont do the same thing. You are trying to argue a point I wasn't making.
 
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oh look all the posters who were calling for Martin Bashir to be fired are now angry about someone they agree with getting fired. Didn't see this coming....
 
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Freedom of speech goes both ways, Phil has the right to say whatever he wants and so does everyone else; this includes A&E. They have the right to pull him off the air, and everyone else has the right to speak their mind and be against what Phil said and lobby A&E to pull him off the air.

Rights go both ways. How do people not get this?
 
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Manc Skipper said:
What entitles you to some kind of special immunity from criticism? Even if all the non-Christians magically got together to "persecute" you, Christians would outnumber them by more than two to one. It's ridiculous.
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So having a large number of people agree with your beliefs should make it ok to persecute or mock someone for their beliefs?

You either believe that a person has a right to their own beliefs or you dont. You either believe that a person should be mocked for their beliefs or you dont. But to act like its ok to mock one person for their beliefs and then be outraged when another persons beliefs are mocked is hypocritical.
 
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tacomancer said:
Lol

Refer to my post above as to why it doesn't matter
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You may as well just start typing gibberish because I really don't understand what it is you're trying to say or imply.
 
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A&E made a business call. Their ad revenue was theatened so they had to do something to stop the being especially if a large segment of their veiwing audience is LGTB.

As a Christian, I find no fault in what the Duck Dynasty star said. Biblical scripture does consider homosexuality a sin. But I suppose when an individual who is not of the cloth reaches celebraty status and quotes Scripture during an interview that is unreated to the movie or TV show he/she performs in that person had best bit his tongue so as not to offend rather than speak the truth.

Free speech be damned. I mean, it's just business, right?
 
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Mr.Nick said:
You may as well just start typing gibberish because I really don't understand what it is you're trying to say or imply.
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You are unable to scroll up?

Bless your heart
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Yeah right - you're making brash assumptions.... Just like you believe everyone should adhere to your politics or social philosophy you believe no one disagrees with you hence no one agrees with me..

No wonder why you progs hate the Bill of Rights.
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What the hell are you talking about?

You really need to stop it with this nauseating faux tyranny crusade. The Progressives are not out to get you or your free speech or any rights. They're not attacking you from every angle trying to oppress you. The guy popped his mouth off and got slapped down. This isn't some kind of crucifixion, get over yourself.
 
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Your Star said:
Freedom of speech goes both ways, Phil has the right to say whatever he wants and so does everyone else; this includes A&E. They have the right to pull him off the air, and everyone else has the right to speak their mind and be against what Phil said and lobby A&E to pull him off the air.

Rights go both ways. How do people not get this?
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Apparently the people who are mad at Phil for saying it. And the people who are mad at A&E for pulling him. Neither one really did anything wrong.

This guy made his comments and has to live with the consequences. A&E will live with the consequences of suspending him.
 
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ARealConservative said:
why should you care if you are a hypocrite?

only you can answer that. I know why I care.
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Now I'm the hypocrite? Wow you guys just turn everything around don't you. Par for the course.
 
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Your Star said:
Freedom of speech goes both ways, Phil has the right to say whatever he wants and so does everyone else; this includes A&E. They have the right to pull him off the air, and everyone else has the right to speak their mind and be against what Phil said and lobby A&E to pull him off the air.

Rights go both ways. How do people not get this?
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Well obviously A&E doesn't feel that way otherwise dude would have never been pulled.

Also, you can bet A&E highly regrets their decision - the backlash directed at them must be difficult to deal with....
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Well obviously A&E doesn't feel that way otherwise dude would have never been pulled.

Also, you can bet A&E highly regrets their decision - the backlash directed at them must be difficult to deal with....
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A&E has every right to pull him off the air if he says something that the company disagrees with.
 
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Objective Voice said:
A&E made a business call. Their ad revenue was theatened so they had to do something to stop the being especially if a large segment of their veiwing audience is LGTB.

As a Christian, I find no fault in what the Duck Dynasty star said. Biblical scripture does consider homosexuality a sin. But I suppose when an individual who is not of the cloth reaches celebraty status and quotes Scripture during an interview that is unreated to the movie or TV show he/she performs in that person had best bit his tongue so as not to offend rather than speak the truth.

Free speech be damned. I mean, it's just business, right?
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Freedom of speech doesn't mean you are immune to consequences. This man's right to freedom of speech wasn't violated.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Well obviously A&E doesn't feel that way otherwise dude would have never been pulled.

Also, you can bet A&E highly regrets their decision - the backlash directed at them must be difficult to deal with....
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A & E is the government??
 
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CRUE CAB said:
So the gays that got offended, just cant not watch the show. But by way of impacting his income, cry, stomp feet and hold their breaths like little children.
Oh, so tolerant of them.
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It isn't just "the gays", its also everyone else that supports their right to live their lives how they see fit without discrimination and hate speech spewed at them. Just like "the blacks" we're not going to stop fighting until you right wingers are forced back into your caves with your garbage.
 
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Verax said:
What the hell are you talking about?

You really need to stop it with this nauseating faux tyranny crusade. The Progressives are not out to get you or your free speech or any rights. They're not attacking you from every angle trying to oppress you. The guy popped his mouth off and got slapped down. This isn't some kind of crucifixion, get over yourself.
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Yeah right - what the hell you call political correctness then?

If this wasn't the case then why the hell are progressives so bent and why the hell did they pull this guy from the show?

Maybe you just cant see reality at face value..

I had a progressive the other day in a different thread portray me as intolerant because I acknowledged that men and woman are different in physiology....

Don't even try this "no one is out to get you" nonsense... These intolerant people are out to degrade and smash anyone who doesn't adhere to their group-think policies...
 
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CriticalThought said:
I really get tired of this persecution complex. Religious people are the vast majority of this country. Nobody is going around trying to persecute the 70% of Americans who are Christian. The fact of the matter is people don't like it when other people use religion as an excuse to be asses to other human beings. There are plenty of people in this country and in the media who can say they oppose homosexuality due to their religious beliefs without being disrespectful and disparaging about it. It is when you cross the line and start comparing things that don't cause harm, like homosexuality, to things that do cause harm, like theft and adultery, that you go from talking about how your oppose homosexuality on faith to attacking the character of people who are gay. That is why people opposed it.
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I don't have a persecution complex, as I'm not a christian. I'm an atheist.

All I've stated is that for some reason discrimination laws are imbalanced, protecting homosexuals more than they protect the religious. If a company fired someone for saying something homosexual people would lose their minds.
 
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tacomancer said:
Yes, people are butt hurt and all sad they didn't get their way.

But no. It doesn't matter. In a free society these things can and do happen.
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And its not wrong with commenting that its rather stupid that people keep losing their jobs for mentioning their personal beliefs.
 
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What I find funny is imagine this same scenario, but instead of a christian getting suspended for anti gay remarks, it was a gay guy getting suspended for saying there is no God and fox suspending him. I wonder how many people who support A&E would support fox? My guess is very few. They'd be pissed he was suspended for stating his beliefs. And along those same lines how many people who think A&E shouldn't have suspended this guy would support the gay guy's comments about God? My guess is they'd say Fox had every right.
 
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tacomancer said:
A & E is the government??
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I never even implied that, but I certainly can make an argument that this situation is no different than the government getting involved when a baker refuses to bake a gay couple a cake - because this is de facto discrimination.

Sorry, you have like a 6th grade logic....

You obviously believe only some people can be discriminated against.

It's like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson saying blacks cant be racist...
 
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Caine said:
And its not wrong with commenting that its rather stupid that people keep losing their jobs for mentioning their personal beliefs.
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Then they should not be in the public eye
 
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Verax said:
It isn't just "the gays", its also everyone else that supports their right to live their lives how they see fit without discrimination and hate speech spewed at them. Just like "the blacks" we're not going to stop fighting until you right wingers are forced back into your caves with your garbage.
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Hilarious and a great example of what's being discussed here. Your second sentence is discrimination and hate speech directed against folks you disagree with. Totally at odds with your first sentence. Rank hypocrisy.

As for A&E, purely a financial decision, gotta keep those advo dollars coming in. Now, if ratings drop a bunch because of this move and the advo dollars are threatened that way, Phil will be back PDQ.
 
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