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'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E (W: 742)

Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

I got to hand it to you conservatives though... nobody plays the victim card like you. This swamp water douche spews his hate at the national level and the real victims are... conservatives! Who cares about the sinful beast rapers, what about the feelings of the haters? What about their rights to insult half the country without consequences?

The free market strikes again! :lamo

you think suspending someone from the most profitable show on a particular network has something to do with market economics?

you got any proof of that?
 
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Life isn't a flat line, it's a wavy one. After years of homosexuality being demonized, it's only appropriate for the wave to sway equally in the other direction for a while. Evenso it's not nearly as big a wave, yet, as it was when it was rigidly close minded.

cool. we agree this was an overreaction.
 
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you think suspending someone from the most profitable show on a particular network has something to do with market economics?

you got any proof of that?

You're joking right? The network cut him to try and protect itself, no? This is the most basic argument of the "free market" that people vote with their wallet and their feet. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

You're joking right? The network cut him to try and protect itself, no? This is the most basic argument of the "free market" that people vote with their wallet and their feet. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here.

Hat people routinely abandon their principals when their culture is at stake.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

You're joking right? The network cut him to try and protect itself, no? This is the most basic argument of the "free market" that people vote with their wallet and their feet. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here.

you are making assumptions.

some people make decisions based not on money, but on what they think is right or wrong.

you assumed this was about economics, but you have no proof. you are arguing from a position of ignorance, but carry on
 
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cool. we agree this was an overreaction.
Nope we don't. It is the logical reaction based on past history. It's only illogical to those that pretend history wasn't as intolerant as it was and still is given this guys foolishness.
 
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you are making assumptions.

some people make decisions based not on money, but on what they think is right or wrong.

you assumed this was about economics, but you have no proof. you are arguing from a position of ignorance, but carry on

Being that you are so obtuse I have no choice but to assume whatever it is you're trying to say.

Are you saying A&E did this because of "principles" rather than money?

Are you saying had they not suspended him in a PR move they would have taken less damage with that strategy? This is standard fare btw, you suspend the guy, there's a big hubbub about it for a while, it blows over and then you take the guy back and carry on as though nothing happened. He will be back, the show will go on, unless he loses his cool and throws a tantrum and the whole thing falls apart.

Is it really "ignorant" to assume this was about economics? Seriously? You think tv shows have a bottom line other than profits? You think A&E's shareholders are more concerned about principles? Give me a break.
 
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This is a quote of his..the normal "homosexual is fine...then everything goes" argument. Do you think a homosexual on TV would be fired for saying "one moment it's going to church the next it's enslaving others, stoning women..." you get the picture. Sure he would.

Also I'm not sure it fits into law about discrimination...he's not being discriminated due to being a religious guy...he's being suspended because of words he said.

He's being suspended because the words he said were religious, and others didn't like it. I'm actually pretty sure a homosexual could say the above statement without being fired. There's an obvious imbalance when it comes to discrimination laws.

Life isn't a flat line, it's a wavy one. After years of homosexuality being demonized, it's only appropriate for the wave to sway equally in the other direction for a while. Evenso it's not nearly as big a wave, yet, as it was when it was rigidly close minded.

Yes, I realize there are under-corrections and over-corrections, but that doesn't mean we need to condone an obvious over-correction like this one.

I believe most people in regular shows have imbedded in their contracts clauses that indicate they cannot bring any untoward attention to themselves in such a way as to harm viewership. It used to be called a morality clause, I think, though morality had little to do with it. Seems Charlie Sheen, that cooking lady and her n'word, and now this guy, probably more we haven't heard about.

And what do you think would happen if an employer made a contract saying "You're not allowed to say anything homosexual"? Hint: People would lose their ****.
 
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And what do you think would happen if an employer made a contract saying "You're not allowed to say anything homosexual"? Hint: People would lose their ****.
The contracts are not that specific. And if someone basically came out and said that heterosexual men were all neanderthals, I'm pretty sure they'd be fired as well. Usually the contract indicates that one should not bring untoward attention to themselves that might negatively effect the show. That could be anything as noted by the recent issues with Charlie Sheen and the cooking lady that was careless in using the n'word during temper moments.
 
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Nope we don't. It is the logical reaction based on past history. It's only illogical to those that pretend history wasn't as intolerant as it was and still is given this guys foolishness.

So equally in the other direction means what then?
 
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The contracts are not that specific. And if someone basically came out and said that heterosexual men were all neanderthals, I'm pretty sure they'd be fired as well. Usually the contract indicates that one should not bring untoward attention to themselves that might negatively effect the show. That could be anything as noted by the recent issues with Charlie Sheen and the cooking lady that was careless in using the n'word during temper moments.

You're right, they're not specific, intentionally, so that they can be a catch-all to interpret as they please. It's kind of like how the military uses "conduct non-becoming of an NCO" to nail people for all kinds of things that weren't against any rules.

This however isn't about a contract. An employer can fire any employee for "embarassing the company" without a contract. This is about discrimination laws and their imbalanced enforcement. He said something stereotypically christian and was fired for it. If someone said something stereotypically homosexual, they would be protected under discrimination laws.
 
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The contracts are not that specific. And if someone basically came out and said that heterosexual men were all neanderthals, I'm pretty sure they'd be fired as well.

I don't think that would happen at all. Has that EVER happened?
 
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Being that you are so obtuse I have no choice but to assume whatever it is you're trying to say.

Personal attack duly noted.

Are you saying A&E did this because of "principles" rather than money?

It is certainly possible. Did the father that got suspended do what he did for money, or for principles?

Is it really "ignorant" to assume this was about economics? Seriously.
Yes.
 
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Personal attack duly noted.



It is certainly possible. Did the father that got suspended do what he did for money, or for principles?


Yes.

You called me ignorant and again just now, I didn't cry about it. Maybe people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?

It doesn't matter what the stupid hillbilly did in "principle", the issue is how everyone else feels about it. He insulted half of America while peddling a product that is dependent on popularity... b-b-blunder.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

I got to hand it to you conservatives though... nobody plays the victim card like you. This swamp water douche spews his hate at the national level and the real victims are... conservatives! Who cares about the sinful beast rapers, what about the feelings of the haters? What about their rights to insult half the country without consequences?

The free market strikes again! :lamo

Its a play that they have crafted over the last few years....cover up your racism by calling those who point it out "the racists", cover up your homophobia, but calling out those who point it out as "intolerant" because they are not tolerant of the intolerant.....its such a ploy.
 
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You called me ignorant and again just now, I didn't cry about it. Maybe people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?

It doesn't matter what the stupid hillbilly did in "principle", the issue is how everyone else feels about it. He insulted half of America while peddling a product that is dependent on popularity... b-b-blunder.

I said you were arguing form a position of ignorance.

translated, I said you are arguing without having all the facts.

I didn't say you were ignorant. so nice try, but you are wrong.
 
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Leftist intolerance is on full display this year....Merry Christmas.

So A&E should be tolerant of his intolerance?

Sorry, it all started with his intolerant remarks and points of view.

You could say A&E is fighting intolerance with their freedom of speech to not show that kind of intolerance.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Its a play that they have crafted over the last few years....cover up your racism by calling those who point it out "the racists", cover up your homophobia, but calling out those who point it out as "intolerant" because they are not tolerant of the intolerant.....its such a ploy.

Exactly, its the same playbook abusers use to control their significant other.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

probably.

the difference? he would still be on the air.

Doubtful. Martin Bashir is off the air (rightfully). What happened the the Dixie Chicks?
 
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My guess is that the CEO of A & E received an immediate and strongly phrased phone call from the White House. Possibly hinting at either threats or bribery.

I don't know about that Ray but I do think it was a bad move on A&E's part. That show has given them the greatest ratings it has ever experienced. And from the beginning has offended one group or another. There also seems to be quite an outrage starting over the suspension of Phil. I'm wondering if there isn't some network shopping going on right now to pick up the show and share a piece of over 800 million in Duck merchandise once the Ducks legally fulfill their contract.
 
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Though I believe obviously A&E has a right to fire whoever they want to fire for any reason, I don't see why his views outside of the show, have any effect on his ability to do the show, nor do I see how that would be put on A&E.

The whole prayer deal at the end of the show, other talks and sermons he has given have been an issue for people since the beginning.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

I said you were arguing form a position of ignorance.

translated, I said you are arguing without having all the facts.

I didn't say you were ignorant. so nice try, but you are wrong.

Your argument is so bizarre at a fundamental level it is hard to parse it. You think there is quantifiable evidence somewhere? where? what kind of evidence? that this whole issue is about principle rather than economics, concerning a tv show?

I tried to ask you earlier what you were talking about but you never elaborated. The principles of the A&E execs? Are you saying they cut the cord because they are liberals who were offended? The shareholders? Even so isn't this the "free market"? People who are in charge of a business are allowed to run it as they see fit, right?
 
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Doubtful. Martin Bashir is off the air (rightfully). What happened the the Dixie Chicks?

not the greatest example. weeks went by before the network acted even though virtually nobody agreed with his position, even among those that watch him.

I suspect the majority that watch this show, agree with the person suspended.
 
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