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'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E (W: 742)

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The irony of this is breathtaking. According the social conservatives and the religious right, one should be able to say anything they want, no matter how offensive it is, without repercussion from their employer. For example, you should be able to equate homosexuality to beastiality, the former being a consensual relationship between adults, the latter an adult raping an animal. You should be able to publicly equate the two, but if you face any reproductions from your employer because they believe your statement to be offensive and bigoted, then its an example of "liberal intolerance"..... This coming from the crowd that will boycott a retailer if the cashier tells them "Happy Holidays".

Phil Robertson seems to be a nice and decent man. He is obviously religious. I don't think he is a bad person, but he did say something that is hateful and offensive by comparing homosexuality to beastiality, and decent people do not have to simply tolerate bigotry.
 
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“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men. Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”

He also said, about homosexuality:

"It seems like, to me, a vagina -- as a man -- would be more desirable than a man's anus. That's just me. I'm just thinking: There's more there! She's got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I'm saying? But hey, sin: It's not logical, my man. It's just not logical."

He also said, "We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?”

You know who else said gay marriage was a 'moral' issue and one formed by his Christian belief system?

This guy....

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He's still pretty much on the slippery slope argument which is ridiculous. And with regards to Obama, I dislike him for a number of reasons, especially in regards to LGBT issues.
 
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He's still pretty much on the slippery slope argument which is ridiculous. And with regards to Obama, I dislike him for a number of reasons, especially in regards to LGBT issues.
And yet...the hysterical homosexual brigade doesnt soil themselves when it is a democrat or liberal actor or musician that makes anti-gay comments. oddly enough.

There IS no slippery slope argument. Thats just ridiculous. He stated his belief that it was wrong AND that "We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?”

You have no obligation to accept his beliefs or his state position. But for people to be upset about that? Seriously?
 
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Your ODS is showing...
Not at all...merely pointing out the fact. If it would have been better accepted I could have posted the numerous articles, videos, and examples of black, liberal, democrat supporting ministers who's opinions mirror Phil Robinsons.

Its simply a fact.
 
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I want to point out...he has talked about his faith plenty of times in a personal context. In this passage he's used faith to attack others.

To me it's a pretty easy distinction to make. There's no double standard here...there's just a lot of things in the bible people latch on to which deals more with how others should be treated than how they personally live their life. It's one thing (and ridiculous to say) "I'm not gay because the bible tells me not to be"...it's another to criticize homosexuals.

It's still essentially the same. I don't really see what he said as an attack, especially considering he really was quoting directly out of the bible. (Though you'd be surprised how much hateful stuff is in there). People haven't waited a second to attack him because of their beliefs, should they all be fired?

Whether we should allow discrimination laws or not is another question, but as long as they do exist, we should all be equal under them.
 
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No it doesn't. That is just the failed argument of the right-wing every time they cry about people being held responsibility for their hate speech.


It makes no difference to me, but "true tollerance" is just that, true tollerance.
 
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And yet...the hysterical homosexual brigade doesnt soil themselves when it is a democrat or liberal actor or musician that makes anti-gay comments. oddly enough.

There IS no slippery slope argument. Thats just ridiculous. He stated his belief that it was wrong AND that "We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?”

You have no obligation to accept his beliefs or his state position. But for people to be upset about that? Seriously?

Apparently, yes. GLADD has demanded Robertson's apology. I hope that he doesn't recant.
 
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I wonder what the religious right bunch and other social conservatives would be saying today if Phil Robertson in his interview said something like:

"The Bible says that homosexuality is a sin, but I believe that all these people that are so hung up on it and gay marriage are all a bunch of self loathing closeted gays. They want a male's anus but they are stuck with a vagina and thats why the supposed "gay and lesbian agenda" is such a big deal with them".

If he had said something like that, every social conservative out there would be calling for him to be fired, for him to pay back the money A&E paid him for the show, and it would be non-stop talk about it on various right wing media outlets, Fox News, and conservative talk radio.
 
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“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men. Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”

He also said, about homosexuality:

"It seems like, to me, a vagina -- as a man -- would be more desirable than a man's anus. That's just me. I'm just thinking: There's more there! She's got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I'm saying? But hey, sin: It's not logical, my man. It's just not logical."

He also said, "We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?”

You know who else said gay marriage was a 'moral' issue and one formed by his Christian belief system?

This guy....

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Yep. But that guy was a liberal, demorat and the darling of those that hated republicants. Besides, once the election was in the bag and public opinion had shifted, his position evolved. ;)

Obama is a man of strong moral character, an educated eleite, that evolves with the times, while Phil Robertson is a hillbilly, white trash piece of scum that deserves to suffer for his politically incorrect religious beliefs. Get with the program. ;)
 
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Not at all...merely pointing out the fact. If it would have been better accepted I could have posted the numerous articles, videos, and examples of black, liberal, democrat supporting ministers who's opinions mirror Phil Robinsons.

Its simply a fact.

How many times did Obama lump gays with drunks and terrorists? Saying it was a moral issue was not the issue I think most had with his comments.
 
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I wonder what the religious right bunch and other social conservatives would be saying today if Phil Robertson in his interview said something like:

"The Bible says that homosexuality is a sin, but I believe that all these people that are so hung up on it and gay marriage are all a bunch of self loathing closeted gays. They want a male's anus but they are stuck with a vagina and thats why the supposed "gay and lesbian agenda" is such a big deal with them".

If he had said something like that, every social conservative out there would be calling for him to be fired, for him to pay back the money A&E paid him for the show, and it would be non-stop talk about it on various right wing media outlets, Fox News, and conservative talk radio.

probably.

the difference? he would still be on the air.
 
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this part is a pretty dumb thing to say :

"I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once," he told GQ. "Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash. We're going across the field. ... They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, 'I tell you what: These doggone white people' -- not a word!

"Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues," GQ quoted Robertson as saying.

yeah, i'm sure Jim Crow Louisiana was a utopia for black people.

either way, i don't watch the show, so i don't GAF other than being surprised that anyone with a huge audience would say stupid **** that pisses off a big chunk of their audience and results in the show possibly being scrapped. especially after what happened to Paula Dean.
 
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Though I believe obviously A&E has a right to fire whoever they want to fire for any reason, I don't see why his views outside of the show, have any effect on his ability to do the show, nor do I see how that would be put on A&E.
I believe most people in regular shows have imbedded in their contracts clauses that indicate they cannot bring any untoward attention to themselves in such a way as to harm viewership. It used to be called a morality clause, I think, though morality had little to do with it. Seems Charlie Sheen, that cooking lady and her n'word, and now this guy, probably more we haven't heard about.
 
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How many times did Obama lump gays with drunks and terrorists? Saying it was a moral issue was not the issue I think most had with his comments.
Come one...be honest. ANY comment he made that indicated less than a favorable stance on homosexuality would have been deemed an 'issue'.

No...I have never heard Obama say..."homosexuals...they are just as bad as drunks and terrorists." But then...Phil Robinson did not sya they are 'just as bad'. He wasnt qualifying levels of good or bad or equating them. His comments were in response to the question "what is sin"...not "rank sins by activity, group, and participants."
 
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Point well taken. But it is reported that Robertson warned up front that he would bail if A&E tried to censor any part of the show pertaining comments about faith in God or guns and they agreed. So why are they now reprimanding him for his comments about his religious beliefs on sin in a magazine interview?

From a report earlier



After that, A&E signed up Phil and the gang for another season of Duck Dynasty under Phil's terms.

'Duck Dynasty' Star Vows to Quit if Network Bans Talk of God or Guns

My guess is that the CEO of A & E received an immediate and strongly phrased phone call from the White House. Possibly hinting at either threats or bribery.
 
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1) I don't believe that it is intolerance. After all, Robertson DID do some gay bashing, and made some racist statements as well. Had A&E kept him on, it would have given an impression that they supported his racist and homophobic remarks.

2) As for A&E being a bunch of Liberals, that is hogwash. After all, they DID put this knuckledragging savage on the air in the first place.

3) However, it is not fair when Robertson can be fired for saying outrageous crap, but Miley Cyrus can be rewarded for being outrageous.
Is Cyrus in some weekly show where this is even comparable? If so I was entirely unaware. Besides that she behaved sexually, she didn't racially or homophobically slam any group(s) as this moron did.
 
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Come one...be honest. ANY comment he made that indicated less than a favorable stance on homosexuality would have been deemed an 'issue'.

I doubt it. There are a lot of ways far less inflamatory he could have made his point.

No...I have never heard Obama say..."homosexuals...they are just as bad as drunks and terrorists." But then...Phil Robinson did not sya they are 'just as bad'. He wasnt qualifying levels of good or bad or equating them. His comments were in response to the question "what is sin"...not "rank sins by activity, group, and participants."

I never claimed Robertson said that, so there goes that straw man argument.
 
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It makes no difference to me, but "true tollerance" is just that, true tollerance.

I disagree. What you are arguing is nothing more than circular reasoning.
 
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His interview had with GQ had nothing to do with A&E,
Except for the contract he signed with A&E which likely had a clause concerning bringing bad publicity to himself which would reflect badly on the show. They sign these contracts, surely they know what is in them. Not to mention, GQ wouldn't have even known or cared who he was if not for A&E.
 
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Yep. But that guy was a liberal, demorat and the darling of those that hated republicants. Besides, once the election was in the bag and public opinion had shifted, his position evolved. ;)

Obama is a man of strong moral character, an educated eleite, that evolves with the times, while Phil Robertson is a hillbilly, white trash piece of scum that deserves to suffer for his politically incorrect religious beliefs. Get with the program. ;)
Sorry...that is a very incorrect characterization of the 'evolution' of his opinion. The fact is his "evolution" came about 2 weeks after the New York Times issued a fairly large and damning article quoting many wealthy homosexuals as saying they were wiling to sit this election out and not contribute financially as Obama had not been more supportive of the gay community. Make of it what yoy will, but the fact is...he didnt 'evolve' until he wanted their money.

AND...lets not forget...his position re government prevention of gay marriage 'evolved'...not his position re the immorality of homosexuality and gay marriage.
 
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When did having an opposing view become intolerant?
Seriously, this idea on the right that tolerance = silence is puzzling.

I don't necessarily agree with A&E's actions here, but your definition of the word "intolerant" is wrong.




Anyone who thinks that 'tolerant' means that people sit with there arms folded, mouths closed, and never say a word about peoples intolerance is out of touch with reality.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
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I disagree. What you are arguing is nothing more than circular reasoning.

No. I don't think so. I just commented on the non-existent logic. But hey, it's all good.
 
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I got to hand it to you conservatives though... nobody plays the victim card like you. This swamp water douche spews his hate at the national level and the real victims are... conservatives! Who cares about the sinful beast rapers, what about the feelings of the haters? What about their rights to insult half the country without consequences?

The free market strikes again! :lamo
 
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It's still essentially the same. I don't really see what he said as an attack, especially considering he really was quoting directly out of the bible. (Though you'd be surprised how much hateful stuff is in there). People haven't waited a second to attack him because of their beliefs, should they all be fired?

Whether we should allow discrimination laws or not is another question, but as long as they do exist, we should all be equal under them.

“Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong… Sin becomes fine. Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men.”
This is a quote of his..the normal "homosexual is fine...then everything goes" argument. Do you think a homosexual on TV would be fired for saying "one moment it's going to church the next it's enslaving others, stoning women..." you get the picture. Sure he would.

Also I'm not sure it fits into law about discrimination...he's not being discriminated due to being a religious guy...he's being suspended because of words he said.
 
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Mind you, I'm pro-SSM and about as anti-religious as one can be, but I'm starting to get a little concerned with the gross imbalance between gay rights and religious rights as pertaining to anti-discrimination laws.

Essentially, a homosexual can say or do anything expressing his homosexuality and he is protected from any kind of discrimination with hiring and firing, but a christian quoting pretty much directly out of the bible can be fired for the same thing.

All I'm saying is we should have a little bit of consistency here. If A&E were to fire a homosexual for saying something homosexual in a non-related magazine, wouldn't everyone lose their ****?
Life isn't a flat line, it's a wavy one. After years of homosexuality being demonized, it's only appropriate for the wave to sway equally in the other direction for a while. Evenso it's not nearly as big a wave, yet, as it was when it was rigidly close minded.
 
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