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'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E (W: 742)

Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Given who you're talking about here, I'd say they're half right at most, just like limbaugh.

I've never seen politicians go against the bidding of any other pundit and then come crawling back to apologize an practically pledge fealty to someone like I've seen Republicans do to Limbaugh.
 
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If you hate gay people, just hate them move on and embrace your bigotry. Don't hide behind the God and the bible.

If you hate the Bible and Christians just hate them and move on and embrace your bigotry. Don't be bashful.
 
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If you hate the Bible and Christians just hate them and move on and embrace your bigotry. Don't be bashful.

I for one don't "hate the Bible and Christians," I just don't think their beliefs should be codified into law.
 
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Given who you're talking about here, I'd say they're half right at most, just like limbaugh.
On this one, I'd give the MM site a 3/4 right.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

The problem isn't that he said that he didn't personally see anything bad at that time, the problem is that he is claiming that before they got civil rights that black people were singing and godly and they were happy (aka not singing the blues). And he is claiming from his white point of view. He might have gotten on reasonably or even perfectly well with blacks in that day and age but to claim that they were happier and better off?

*snip*

It is not that Robertson didn't see anything wrong, but he makes a conclusion based on his assumptions and that is a very bad basis for making such sweeping claims.
Here's what I read in the article which apparently instigated this whole thing:

Phil On Growing Up in Pre-Civil-Rights-Era Louisiana

“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

I don't read that as "nothing was wrong with the situation black people were in at that time". I read it as "I never saw the problems from where I was sitting".
The difference is slight, but key.
 
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Here's what I read in the article which apparently instigated this whole thing:



I don't read that as "nothing was wrong with the situation black people were in at that time". I read it as "I never saw the problems from where I was sitting".
The difference is slight, but key.

No, it says clear as day:

pre-entitlement, pre-welfare,you say: Where they happy? (this is the questions)

They were godly, the were happy; no one was singing the blues. (and this is his answer to that question)


And for there not being blues? From Caddo Parish, birth place of Robertson came Huddie William Ledbetter aka Lead Belly, also blues men Jesse Thomas and Dave Alexander came from there.

Located in the northwest corner of Louisiana, Shreveport has had a thriving music scene for many decades. From such blues icons as Jesse Thomas and Oscar "Buddy" Woods (of the two of them, only Thomas would make records after World War II) -- to such legendary rockers as Dale Hawkins, whose big hit "Susie Q" was cut "after hours" at local radio station KWKH, Shreveport has a lot about which it can be rightfully proud. On this episode of Blues Unlimited, we focus on two of the movers and shakers in the music business in Shreveport - Mira Smith, who started up a handful of labels, including Ram, Clif, and Jo (among others) and Stan Lewis, who operated Shreveport's all-important record distributorship for many years, and finally (at the encouragement of Leonard Chess) got into the record business himself. Also on the program, some very fine country blues that were captured during the height of the post-war era, courtesy of labels like Gotham, JOB (another home-grown Shreveport label), Pacemaker (owned by country music star Webb Pierce), Imperial, and Specialty -- from an all night recording session in March 1952 that was organized by Stan Lewis for Specialty's owner Art Rupe -- that give us a spectacular cross-section of the down home blues talent that was on hand in Shreveport in the early 1950s. Don't miss this special tribute to the Blues, R&B, and Country Blues from Shreveport, on this episode of Blues Unlimited.

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No, it says clear as day:

pre-entitlement, pre-welfare,you say: Where they happy? (this is the questions)

They were godly, the were happy; no one was singing the blues. (and this is his answer to that question)


And for there not being blues? From Caddo Parish, birth place of Robertson came Huddie William Ledbetter aka Lead Belly, also blues men Jesse Thomas and Dave Alexander came from there.



PRX » Piece » Blues Unlimited #129 - Blues and R&B from Shreveport, Louisiana
Maybe I'm missing something, I dunno.

Didn't seem like he was saying "blacks were fine before they had civil rights."
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Not on any count was I wrong.
Yes you were.

I was a time period, not a comparison.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

No, it says clear as day:

pre-entitlement, pre-welfare,you say: Where they happy? (this is the questions)

They were godly, the were happy; no one was singing the blues. (and this is his answer to that question)


And for there not being blues? From Caddo Parish, birth place of Robertson came Huddie William Ledbetter aka Lead Belly, also blues men Jesse Thomas and Dave Alexander came from there.



PRX » Piece » Blues Unlimited #129 - Blues and R&B from Shreveport, Louisiana
Clear as day?
You must be seeing things.

He was referring to those he knew during a specific time period.
Not "all" or anything else.
Asserting anything else is ridiculous.

And the blues were created years earlier.
So prove that he heard blues being sung or that he even knew at the time what the blues were to even identify them as such.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

The following sentence applies to your arguments here in this thread.

No it doesn't. Nor does it's hyper sensitivity.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Clear as day?
You must be seeing things.

He was referring to those he knew during a specific time period.
Not "all" or anything else.
Asserting anything else is ridiculous.

And the blues were created years earlier.
So prove that he heard blues being sung or that he even knew at the time what the blues were to even identify them as such.

I do not have to prove anything. I did not make a ridiculous statement like "before entitlement blacks were singing, they were godly and they did not sing the blues".

As I have stated facts and anecdotal evidence indicates that were not happy in the time before entitlement, that they were singing the blues in Caddo Parish and that singing while working on the fields and being very religious is not evidence for happy African Americans. That Robertson had a reasonable relationship with the black citizens of his hometown can be true, but as long as you are not black yourself, and you are allowed to sit where you want on the bus, you are allowed to register to vote and you were not suffering the negative experience known as segregation, you will only know part of the story.

In the Arkansas times is written (in an OP-ED from what I can see):

There aren't enough megabytes to detail how wrong-headed this is. You could put it down to ignorance only if you believe Robertson never read a newspaper or watched TV news. Particularly when you know that Phil Robertson grew up in Caddo Parish, outside Shreveport, and now lives in West Monroe, which is in Ouachita Parish. Northern Louisiana isn't known for its racial harmony. The Louisiana Encyclopedia mentions after talking about Louisiana as the land where Plessy v. Ferguson (separate but equal) was born and where rigid segregation statutes soon followed:

Not coincidentally, lynchings increased dramatically after 1900, primarily in the northern parishes of Caddo, Ouachita and Morehouse. Between 1900 and 1931, more than half the lynchings in the state occurred north of Alexandria. The numbers of African Americans lynched are in the thousands though detailed statistics are skewed because police officers in the northern parishes rarely considered lynchings as homicides.

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Clear as day?
You must be seeing things.

He was referring to those he knew during a specific time period.
Not "all" or anything else.
Asserting anything else is ridiculous.

And the blues were created years earlier.
So prove that he heard blues being sung or that he even knew at the time what the blues were to even identify them as such.

I do not have to prove anything. I did not make a ridiculous statement like "before entitlement blacks were singing, they were godly and they did not sing the blues".

As I have stated facts and anecdotal evidence indicates that were not happy in the time before entitlement, that they were singing the blues in Caddo Parish and that singing while working on the fields and being very religious is not evidence for happy African Americans. That Robertson had a reasonable relationship with the black citizens of his hometown can be true, but as long as you are not black yourself, and you are allowed to sit where you want on the bus, you are allowed to register to vote and you were not suffering the negative experience known as segregation, you will only know part of the story.

In the Arkansas times is written (in an OP-ED from what I can see):

There aren't enough megabytes to detail how wrong-headed this is. You could put it down to ignorance only if you believe Robertson never read a newspaper or watched TV news. Particularly when you know that Phil Robertson grew up in Caddo Parish, outside Shreveport, and now lives in West Monroe, which is in Ouachita Parish. Northern Louisiana isn't known for its racial harmony. The Louisiana Encyclopedia mentions after talking about Louisiana as the land where Plessy v. Ferguson (separate but equal) was born and where rigid segregation statutes soon followed:

Not coincidentally, lynchings increased dramatically after 1900, primarily in the northern parishes of Caddo, Ouachita and Morehouse. Between 1900 and 1931, more than half the lynchings in the state occurred north of Alexandria. The numbers of African Americans lynched are in the thousands though detailed statistics are skewed because police officers in the northern parishes rarely considered lynchings as homicides.

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I do not have to prove anything.
If you are not trying to suggest he is wrong because you think the blues were being sung around his area, then yeah, you don't have to prove it. But if you are, you do.

So why did you provide information about the blues? What was the purpose? You did say, "And for there not being blues?", so you are suggesting something. What is it?
If it is the above, then yes you do have to prove.


I did not make a ridiculous statement like "before entitlement blacks were singing, they were godly and they did not sing the blues".
He didn't say that either so you are in good company.

So why are you putting words into his moth that he did not say?

This is what he said, speaking of his own personal experience. Which is clearly not what you said.

“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”


As I have stated facts and anecdotal evidence indicates that were not happy in the time before entitlement, that they were singing the blues in Caddo Parish and that singing while working on the fields and being very religious is not evidence for happy African Americans.
:naughty
You have not provided anything about the folk he knew and was speaking about.


In the Arkansas times is written (in an OP-ED from what I can see):
Not coincidentally, lynchings increased dramatically after 1900, primarily in the northern parishes of Caddo, Ouachita and Morehouse. Between 1900 and 1931,
:doh
Phil was born in 46. Duh! And he wouldn't have been toiling in the fields with them for at least 8, if not more years, later.
This crap you are spouting shows nothing and proves nothing in regard to those he knew and was speaking about.
You know nothing of his personal experience.
 
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No it doesn't. Nor does it's hyper sensitivity.

Sure it does. Admit it.

Phil disparaged Gays and said Blacks were happy picking cotton and not voting. And, your defense of his stupid comments has been various versions of "He didn't say that."

But, yet we all know he did. I'm not sure what to make of the blatant BS these Phil defenders spew. It's as crazy as when Leftists claimed Clinton's BJ wasn't sex. Wtf?
 
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Maybe I'm missing something, I dunno.

Didn't seem like he was saying "blacks were fine before they had civil rights."


Because he didn't. He was talking about welfare.
 
Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

Yes you were.

I was a time period, not a comparison.

Then compared to now. Pre versus post.

You continue to pretend you don't understand the language.
 
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Then compared to now. Pre versus post.

You continue to pretend you don't understand the language.

It isn't a comparison to after the construction of the entitlement state, just the state of mind of the black people he grew up picking cotton with. Also note that "pre civil-rights" are the words of the author, not Robetson. when he speaks he talks about "pre-entitlement". Since you say that others don't understand the language I would advise you actually pay attention to Phil Robertson's language and not let the author's incorrect headline sway you into reading something that Robertson didn't say.

Is it that hard for you to grasp that even though things were hard in 1950s Louisiana that people still managed to be happy?

But look at it this way: would you say that inner city poor blacks who have access to the entitlement state are "happy"?
 
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Then compared to now. Pre versus post.

You continue to pretend you don't understand the language.
Wrong. You do not understand the language being used and are injecting your own bias into it.
Neither he, the person answering the question, or the questioner, say then as compared to now.

He did not say then as compared to now. The questioner did not say then compared to now.

He was speaking specifically to the period of time he was asked about.

He made no such comparison.


If we we discussing the Precambrian period of time would you illogically argue we were trying to make a comparison between then and the Cambrian?
Of course you wouldn't. We would be speaking a specific time period. Not a comparison.

Which shows your assertion regarding Phil to be nothing more than the manifestation of garbage in your thoughts.
 
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Sure it does. Admit it.
:naughty
No it doesn't.

Phil disparaged Gays and said Blacks were happy picking cotton and not voting.
No he didn't. That would be a lie on your part.
All you are doing is displaying that hypersensitivity and twisting things to fit within it. Saying something is a sin is not disparaging. And he said nothing about "not voting" that is nothing more than that hypersensitivity being displayed by twisting what was said into what you want to have been said.


And, your defense of his stupid comments has been various versions of "He didn't say that."
1. His comments were not stupid. Nor could they be.
Homosexuality is a sin. That is a fact.
And his personal experience can neither be wrong or stupid.
2. He didn't say what you have attributed to him. Which is clear.


But, yet we all know he did.
No he didn't. That is blatant bs you are spewing, and you know it.
 
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No, it says clear as day:

pre-entitlement, pre-welfare,you say: Where they happy? (this is the questions)

They were godly, the were happy; no one was singing the blues. (and this is his answer to that question)


And for there not being blues? From Caddo Parish, birth place of Robertson came Huddie William Ledbetter aka Lead Belly, also blues men Jesse Thomas and Dave Alexander came from there.



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Oh, come on. Robertson didn't mean that people weren't making blues music. :roll:

From the Free Dictionary:

sing the blues to complain

Computer programmers are singing the blues because business is bad and no one is hiring.

Etymology: based on the type of music called the blues (a musical form in which songs often are about difficulties or bad luck) sing the blues - Idioms - by the Free Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

From YouTube:

 
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:naughty
No it doesn't.

No he didn't. That would be a lie on your part.
All you are doing is displaying that hypersensitivity and twisting things to fit within it. Saying something is a sin is not disparaging. And he said nothing about "not voting" that is nothing more than that hypersensitivity being displayed by twisting what was said into what you want to have been said.


1. His comments were not stupid. Nor could they be.
Homosexuality is a sin. That is a fact.
And his personal experience can neither be wrong or stupid.
2. He didn't say what you have attributed to him. Which is clear.


No he didn't. That is blatant bs you are spewing, and you know it.

See. You did exactly what I said you would do. Deny Deny Deny.
1, He did disparage homosexuals--hiding behind his religion, pointing to his good book, does not excuse the insults.

2, He did indeed say he saw blacks singing and happy picking cotton before they were allowed to vote. By obvious extension, he is minimizing Jim Crow.

By the way the term "sin" by definition is religiously objective, thus no act, not even murder, can be classified as factually sinful. The term "Sin" and fact are mutually exclusive.
 
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See. You did exactly what I said you would do. Deny Deny Deny.
:lamo
Of course I would deny your untruth, as it is untrue.


1, He did disparage homosexuals--
No he didn't.
Saying it is a sin is not disparaging. It is factual.


2, He did indeed say he saw blacks singing and happy picking cotton before they were allowed to vote. By obvious extension, he is minimizing Jim Crow.
He didn't say this either.
This is nothing more than the manifestation of biased garbage coming from your thoughts.
He spoke about his experience. That is all.




By the way the term "sin" by definition is religiously objective, ...
:doh
It is still a fact that it is a sin. You can't change that.
 
As I said on the other thread, I actually believe that upon restating the dishonest question back to Magary, he then mocks it with his answer.
 
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Because he didn't. He was talking about welfare.
Well...

Personally, I'm not so sure it's welfare itself that is an issue, but rather they way it is implemented.

Maybe that's wishful thinking though.
 
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