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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I did not say that I am an expert because I watched that movie, but from the evidence written down by actual African Americans people can find the truth about how black Americans were treated in the South, including Louisiana.



    The Legal Status of the Southern Negro in 1955

    The Louisiana Literacy Test and How It Worked to Deny Black Voting Rights

    You can find a copy of the Louisiana Literacy test online here. How it works at one level was very simple. Every white applicant passed the test and, every African-American applicant failed. How is this possible? Here's how:

    - Any spelling error by an African-American applicant would be deemed sufficient by the white parish registrars to fail the candidate, but not for white applicants.

    - Punctuation errors were treated the same: failure for Blacks, but not for whites.

    - Circling any of the words "Mr." or "Mrs." or "Miss" instead of underlining the correct word would be grounds for failing an African-American applicant, but not for whites.

    When it came to interpreting a provision of the US Constitution, Black applicants would be asked to interpret the "full faith and credit" clause of Article IV, section 1 of the US Constitution or the "privileges and immunities" clause. But not for whites, they would be asked to explain the meaning of the "freedom of speech or freedom of religion" provisions of the First Amendment.

    Then the test — and how it was graded and administered — got even more insidious. Check out question 21. It says: "Spell backwards, forwards". If a Black person spelled "backwards" but omitted the comma, he/she would be flunked. If a Black person spelled "backwards," he/she would be flunked. If a Black person asked why, he/she would be told either "you forgot the comma," or "you shouldn't have included the comma," or "you should have spelled 'backwards, forwards'". Any plausible response by a white person would be accepted, and so would any implausible response.

    The same crazy unfairness was apparent in question 27. It was not a test of literacy at all. Question 27 read: "Write right from the left to the right as you see it spelled here." If a Black person were to print the answer, he/she would be failed because it says "write" so cursive writing was required. Not so for white people. If a Black person were to write "right" he/she would be failed. Why? Because, the registrar would say, you're supposed to write "right from the left to the right". If a Black person were to write "right from the left to the right", he/she would be failed. Why? Because, the registrar would say, you're supposed to write "right from the left to the right as you see it here." But not for white applicants; for them, any answer would be accepted.

    One error and you didn't pass — if you were African-American. The white voter registrars made the pass-fail decisions. Who appointed these voter registrars? The white parish (county) commissioners — that's who. Who elected the white parish commissioners? The mostly white population of registered voters, that's who — even if they were not really a majority of the parish population. If you're not registered to vote, you can't vote. Therefore, all the politicians who made the rules were white. And the police chiefs that enforce the laws were all white. And the policemen they hired were all white. If you are not registered to vote, you can't serve on a jury, so any time there's a criminal charge or a civil dispute in the courts, the judges and juries are all white. That's how it was in Tangipahoa Parish in the summer of 1964, and throughout most of Louisiana.

    Veterans of the Civil Rights Movement -- CORE's Freedom Summer*—*My Experiences in Louisiana
    Now, you know everything, because you read something written by some dude from Ohio, who spent a couple months in Louisiana?

    I know you hate white southerners and there's nothing that's ever going to change that, but they're not all that bad. But, then what do I know? I live here...right?
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Now, you know everything, because you read something written by some dude from Ohio, who spent a couple months in Louisiana?

    I know you hate white southerners and there's nothing that's ever going to change that, but they're not all that bad. But, then what do I know? I live here...right?
    Sure, that is why my best friend in the whole wide world, my closest and dearest friend comes from Alabama.

    And I know they are not bad, hell, we are talking about how things were 60 years or so ago, not today.

    I am sure that Phil Robertson does not dislike black people or is a racist, but knowing what is known, how people risked their lives for their civil rights, I think it is rather peculiar to claim that they were happier before the civil rights they got. And I am pretty sure that black people in Louisiana were not happier when they were not allowed to vote, when they were not allowed to date someone outside of their own race, when they were only allowed to eat at "blacks only" restaurants, were forced to sit in the back of the bus (or stand), were forced to go to blacks only schools.

    For goodness sake, during that dark time public pools were whites only and the black people in the area had to swim in unsafe and unsupervised waters because the whites did not want their skin to touch water in which black people had taken a dip. In Monroe, North Carolina (after the drowning death of a black girl at an unsupervised swimming-hole) a returning black service man asked the city to allow them to swim ONE day in the week in the city owned pool. The city council refuses on the grounds that if Blacks use the pool the water has to be drained and replaced before white children can use it. When this WW2 vet lead a group of black children to try and integrate into the tax-paid pool, the parents of the black kids are threatened with their lives by the KKK. And as a final act of defiance against the black people in Monroe they closed the pool all together rather than sharing it with the blacks.

    But that all was ages ago and not current anymore. But for people who laid down their lives in the struggle for human rights for the African American population of the south to be trivialized by saying that blacks had it better before they got human rights is not correct IMHO and I do not know why a smart person like Robertson would say such a thing.

    He could have said, from what I knew of the situation blacks seemed happy and content before the civil rights struggle began, but he did not say that in the interview. He stated it like it was a fact and I am pretty sure that Dr. King and all those who died for voting and civil right would have not done that if they were so darned happy before they got human rights.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Sure, that is why my best friend in the whole wide world, my closest and dearest friend comes from Alabama.

    And I know they are not bad, hell, we are talking about how things were 60 years or so ago, not today.

    I am sure that Phil Robertson does not dislike black people or is a racist, but knowing what is known, how people risked their lives for their civil rights, I think it is rather peculiar to claim that they were happier before the civil rights they got. And I am pretty sure that black people in Louisiana were not happier when they were not allowed to vote, when they were not allowed to date someone outside of their own race, when they were only allowed to eat at "blacks only" restaurants, were forced to sit in the back of the bus (or stand), were forced to go to blacks only schools.

    For goodness sake, during that dark time public pools were whites only and the black people in the area had to swim in unsafe and unsupervised waters because the whites did not want their skin to touch water in which black people had taken a dip. In Monroe, North Carolina (after the drowning death of a black girl at an unsupervised swimming-hole) a returning black service man asked the city to allow them to swim ONE day in the week in the city owned pool. The city council refuses on the grounds that if Blacks use the pool the water has to be drained and replaced before white children can use it. When this WW2 vet lead a group of black children to try and integrate into the tax-paid pool, the parents of the black kids are threatened with their lives by the KKK. And as a final act of defiance against the black people in Monroe they closed the pool all together rather than sharing it with the blacks.

    But that all was ages ago and not current anymore. But for people who laid down their lives in the struggle for human rights for the African American population of the south to be trivialized by saying that blacks had it better before they got human rights is not correct IMHO and I do not know why a smart person like Robertson would say such a thing.

    He could have said, from what I knew of the situation blacks seemed happy and content before the civil rights struggle began, but he did not say that in the interview. He stated it like it was a fact and I am pretty sure that Dr. King and all those who died for voting and civil right would have not done that if they were so darned happy before they got human rights.
    Oh! You have a southern friend. Shoulda seen that coming...lol!

    Hey! I saw "A Bridge Too Far". I guess that makes me an expert on Holland!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Why would liberals eat crow?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Sure, that is why my best friend in the whole wide world, my closest and dearest friend comes from Alabama.

    And I know they are not bad, hell, we are talking about how things were 60 years or so ago, not today.

    I am sure that Phil Robertson does not dislike black people or is a racist, but knowing what is known, how people risked their lives for their civil rights, I think it is rather peculiar to claim that they were happier before the civil rights they got. And I am pretty sure that black people in Louisiana were not happier when they were not allowed to vote, when they were not allowed to date someone outside of their own race, when they were only allowed to eat at "blacks only" restaurants, were forced to sit in the back of the bus (or stand), were forced to go to blacks only schools.

    For goodness sake, during that dark time public pools were whites only and the black people in the area had to swim in unsafe and unsupervised waters because the whites did not want their skin to touch water in which black people had taken a dip. In Monroe, North Carolina (after the drowning death of a black girl at an unsupervised swimming-hole) a returning black service man asked the city to allow them to swim ONE day in the week in the city owned pool. The city council refuses on the grounds that if Blacks use the pool the water has to be drained and replaced before white children can use it. When this WW2 vet lead a group of black children to try and integrate into the tax-paid pool, the parents of the black kids are threatened with their lives by the KKK. And as a final act of defiance against the black people in Monroe they closed the pool all together rather than sharing it with the blacks.

    But that all was ages ago and not current anymore. But for people who laid down their lives in the struggle for human rights for the African American population of the south to be trivialized by saying that blacks had it better before they got human rights is not correct IMHO and I do not know why a smart person like Robertson would say such a thing.

    He could have said, from what I knew of the situation blacks seemed happy and content before the civil rights struggle began, but he did not say that in the interview. He stated it like it was a fact and I am pretty sure that Dr. King and all those who died for voting and civil right would have not done that if they were so darned happy before they got human rights.
    What makes people happy is a rather interesting question and one that shouldn't be assumed.

    Why do 'happy' countries have the highest suicide rates? Why are the poor in Honduras happier than poor people in the western world? Studies have shown that if our neighbors are in the same situation we are than everyone tends to be happier because it's a shared experience. So in fact Blacks at that time may have been happier because they were all in a similarly shared situation with each other.

    This is certainly not to defend what happened in southern States during that period but were Blacks happier? Maybe. At that time they would tend to compare their lives with other Blacks and see they were okay in comparison with other Black people. Now they compare themselves with Whites and see they are not generally doing as well, thereby causing resentment. This 'happiness' thing is just a little more complicated then it might first appear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh! You have a southern friend. Shoulda seen that coming...lol!

    Hey! I saw "A Bridge Too Far". I guess that makes me an expert on Holland!
    Sorry, but my best friend does live (and come from) Alabama. In fact during the Natalee Holloway case I met and befriended loads and loads of people from the Southern United States.

    If you had been an expert on the Netherlands you would not use the world "Holland" because that country does not exist.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What makes people happy is a rather interesting question and one that shouldn't be assumed.

    Why do 'happy' countries have the highest suicide rates? Why are the poor in Honduras happier than poor people in the western world? Studies have shown that if our neighbors are in the same situation we are than everyone tends to be happier because it's a shared experience. So in fact Blacks at that time may have been happier because they were all in a similarly shared situation with each other.

    This is certainly not to defend what happened in southern States during that period but were Blacks happier? Maybe. At that time they would tend to compare their lives with other Blacks and see they were okay in comparison with other Black people. Now they compare themselves with Whites and see they are not generally doing as well, thereby causing resentment. This 'happiness' thing is just a little more complicated then it might first appear.
    All nice and dandy, but why on earth, would black people complain about white people in front of someone who was white in that part of the USA during the time that Robertson was a young whippersnapper?

    It is illogical that they would do so.

    And why did blacks sing in the fields and in the churches? They did not do this as an expression of happiness. They did it on the fields to make the hard and boring work somewhat more bearable. They sung so beautifully in the churches as an expression of hope for better times because the times they lived in were filled with discrimination and hardship.

    Again, this may have been the personal thoughts of the young Phil Robertson when he grew up, when he did not know about the civil rights movement and the horrors the African Americans lived in during those times. But with age comes knowledge one would hope and I just think what he said may not have been intended as hurtful but a lot of people who fought for civil liberties for African Americans are hurt by these comments.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Why would liberals eat crow?
    Because the majority of them support illicit same sex marriage and they don't want anyone speaking out that homosexual sin is wrong.

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Sorry, but my best friend does live (and come from) Alabama. In fact during the Natalee Holloway case I met and befriended loads and loads of people from the Southern United States.

    If you had been an expert on the Netherlands you would not use the world "Holland" because that country does not exist.
    Multiple southern friends? You have a Phd in Southern Culture.

    I'm willing to bet that none of those people, nor their ancestors EVER hoed cotton alongside black folks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Phil Robertson suspension by A&E lifted. He will continue to participate in Duck Dynasty. The following statement was released by A&E today (12-27-13)
    To wit I feel compelled to inject the cliche:

    Money talks, bull**** walks.


    A&E has silenced the buzzing in their ears by groups like the rainbow coalition, ACLU and aethiest groups and have realized they are a business and need to conduct themselves as a business.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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