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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    DUCK and ROVE are now the titular leaders of the GOP..
    Rove is currently fanning out looking for RINO candidates to take on TEAts..

    Dems need to step back and enjoy the show..
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    you know im sorry but i really hate the idea of political correctness. I cant go around saying black, mexican, illegal immigrant, gay, lesbian,jew, etc... without someone getting on our buts about politically correctness. Mean while almost of those things that we are not allowed to say are used by the people they are talking about to describe themselves.

    I have black friends who call themselves black and want other people to call them black instead of african americans because they have never seen africa and no one in their last 5 generations has seen africa, and no one in the last 8 has lived there! Gays call themselves gays, believe me i hear them do it ALL THE TIME.

    The one that really gets me annoyed is the illegal immigrant one. People, when someone crosses the border illegally, and they are leaving their country far a new one, then by definition they are technically an illegal immigrant. There is no getting around it.

    Now i didn't bother to read what this guy off of duck dynasty said except that it has something to do with gays and i don't particularly care. The right of speech says that he can speak. it doesn't mean that he cant be punished or insulted about what he says, but he can speak. And as being gay is against the christian religion, then preaching the christian religion is both a use of his freedom religious and freedom of speech. If a&e is going to segregate against him for using those rights then i am sorry but that is wrong. Now im not saying it is right to put down a people but he did nothing wrong by practicing his religion.
    FYI being gay is not against the Christian religion. The act of homosexuality is considered to be against the religion and even that is debatable by some.

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, how many American, southern, rural black folks did you grow up with? Buncha those folks in Holland, are there?
    None, but guess what, not only did we study the struggle of African Americans and how they were treated in the South of the US before they were given the human rights they should always have had.

    I too saw Mississippi Burning, the story of how black human rights individuals were murdered and documentaries galore about how African Americans were abused with little or no rights.

    But even from the Netherlands, with any reasonable intelligence, one can understand that it is ludicrous to claim that because they were singing and because they were religious African Americans in the Southern United States were happy without having human rights.
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    What Phil Robertson was doing was testifying to his personal experience. You seem to think that you have some expertise on what the "correct" and "realistic views of black people" are that Robertson doesn't. I'd like to learn more about what qualifies you to determine who's "oblivious to reality."
    Having a romantic idyllic view of how you think things went when you grew up is not the same as having a correct view of how things in those days actually went. History and facts have proven that not once but often. Risking your life to stand up for your human rights (and many times getting murdered) is not something you do when you are "happy, religiously singing on the fields".

    In a time when whistling at a white woman could get you killed in the South and your murderers found not guilty, how likely do you think it is that blacks would complain about those darned whites to another white person or in earshot of a white person. In the South were millions of KKK members and even more people who just supported the KKK without being a member.

    In 1949, four young Black men are accused of raping a white girl in Lake County near Orlando — at that time a Klan stronghold. Later evidence indicates that the 17 year old girl had been beaten by her husband, and that they concocted a phony rape story to conceal the beating from her parents who had threatened to shoot him if he brutalized her again.

    Charles Greenlee (age 16), and war veterans Sam Shepherd and Walter Irvin, are arrested for the supposed rape. The fourth man, Ernest Thomas manages to flee, but is gunned down by a Sheriff's posse a few days later. A mob of more than 500 white men assembles to lynch the remaining three. When they can't locate the prisoners, they form a caravan of 200 cars and descend on the Black neighborhood of Groveland where the the families of the accused men live. They shoot into homes and set some on fire. The Florida Governor has to send in the National Guard to restore order.

    Willis McCall, the Sheriff of Lake County, is notorious for his brutality against Blacks. Year-after-year he is relected with the support of the citrus growers who he supplies with cheap, chain-gang prison labor at harvest time by arresting Blacks on trumped up charges for minor crimes. He also chases any and all union organizer out of the county.

    The Moores discover that while in McCall's custody the three Groveland defendants were brutally beaten and made to stand on broken glass with their hands roped to a pipe over their heads. Despite this torture, they refused to confess to a crime they did not commit. Unable to force a confession, McCall's deputies manufacture enough phony evidence to convince an all-white jury. Shepherd and Irvin are sentenced to death, 16-year old Greenlee is sentenced to prison.

    Greenlee chooses not to appeal out of fear that a new trial would result in a death sentence. Franklin Williams, Shepherd and Irvin's NAACP attorney, appeals their conviction and it is overturned by the Supreme Court in 1951.

    In November of 1951, Sheriff McCall removes the two men from prison. While driving them to Lake County for their new trial, he shoots them, killing Shepherd and severely wounding Irvin. He claims that the two handcuffed and manacled prisoners attacked him while trying to escape. When Irvin recovers enough to speak, he describes how McCall pulled his car off the road, dragged the two men out, and began firing. The Moores demand that McCall be suspended from office and indicted for murder. No charges are ever brought against McCall.

    With the mob attack on Groveland, the original rape trial, the successful appeal, and the shootings fanning the flames of racism, Harry Moore is called "The most hated Black man in Florida." His mother, visiting for the holidays, voices concern for the Moore's safety. Harry tells her, "Every advancement comes by way of sacrifice. What I am doing is for the benefit of my race."

    Late in the night on Christmas Eve, 1951, a bomb explodes under Harry and Harriette's bedroom. He dies on the way to the hospital, she dies of her injuries 9 days later. They are the first Freedom Movement martyrs of the post-WWII era. Though it is widely known that the Ku Klux Klan planted the bomb, no one is ever charged in their murder.
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    NAACP Leader Rev. George Wesley Lee Murdered in Belzoni MS. (May)

    Rev. George Wesley Lee is an NAACP leader and one of the first Black men registered to vote in Humphreys County in the heart of the Mississippi Delta. He uses his pulpit and his printing press to urge others to vote. To the great consternation of the White Citizens Council and the KKK, he manages to get almost 100 Blacks registered. White officials offer Lee "protection" on the condition he remove his name from the list of registered voters and end his voter registration efforts. He refuses.

    On May 7, 1955, Lee attempts to vote in the Democratic primary. Though he is a legally registered voter, he is prevented from casting his ballot because the Mississippi Democratic Party is "white-only." Only whites are allowed to vote in party primaries or participate in party meetings or activities. On his way home he is shot to death. No one is ever arrested for this murder.

    Witnesses describe how whites in another vehicle had fired a shotgun into Lee's car. The local sheriff declares his murder to be "death by unknown cause" and he claims that the lead shotgun pellets in Lee's face were "dental fillings." He has no explanation for the shot-out tires that brought Lee's car to a halt. The Governor refuses to allow the state to investigate any further. No one is ever arrested or charged in his murder.
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    In 1958 in Monroe, North Carolina, two black boys, seven-year-old David "Fuzzy" Simpson and nine-year-old James Hanover Thompson, were arrested after kissing a white girl on the cheek in a neighborhood game. They were charged and convicted of molestation and sentenced to a reformatory until the age of 21.

    After the girl told her mother, her father and neighbors armed themselves with shotguns and went looking for the boys and their parents. That evening, police arrested Thompson and Simpson on charges of molestation. The young boys were detained for six days without access to their parents or legal counsel. They were handcuffed and beaten in a lower-level cell of the police station. A few days later a juvenile court judge found them guilty and sentenced them to indefinite terms in reform school. The boys, still denied legal counsel, were told they might get out when they were 21 years old. The local Ku Klux Klan, which had a headquarters in Monroe, burned crosses in front of the families' houses, and some people shot at the houses.
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    None, but guess what, not only did we study the struggle of African Americans and how they were treated in the South of the US before they were given the human rights they should always have had.

    I too saw Mississippi Burning, the story of how black human rights individuals were murdered and documentaries galore about how African Americans were abused with little or no rights.

    But even from the Netherlands, with any reasonable intelligence, one can understand that it is ludicrous to claim that because they were singing and because they were religious African Americans in the Southern United States were happy without having human rights.
    Let me see if I'm onboard here: Robertson, grew up in the south, live around black folks, worked with black folks, but he don't know ****. You watched Mississippi Burning and you're an expert on American blacks in the south--deep south?

    All I can say to that, is:
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    None,.
    You could stop right there
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Let me see if I'm onboard here: Robertson, grew up in the south, live around black folks, worked with black folks, but he don't know ****. You watched Mississippi Burning and you're an expert on American blacks in the south--deep south?

    All I can say to that, is:
    I did not say that I am an expert because I watched that movie, but from the evidence written down by actual African Americans people can find the truth about how black Americans were treated in the South, including Louisiana.

    Although at mid-century, politics in the South remained predominantly 'white folk's business,' a segregationist reaction was prompted by NAACP victories in the courts along with an increase in black voter registration. To stem further increases, the Deep South states used two maneuvers in tandem: one tightened registration requirements, while the other augmented the discretion of local registrars. Tightening registration requirements enabled states to exclude a disproportionate number of blacks by even-handed application of race-silent criteria. Augmenting the discretion of registrars enabled states to (1) cheat on behalf of whites who would otherwise have been excluded by the elevated criteria and (2) exclude blacks who, if fairly evaluated, could satisfy the new standards.

    In some areas, officials did more than slow or stop black progress; they rolled it back. In Louisiana, for instance, parish registrars were encouraged by a legislative committee to search the registration applications of Negroes for errors that could be used as the basis for revoking registration. Applying this method, registrars removed ten to eleven thousand blacks from voting rolls in twelve parishes between 1956 and 1957.

    Accompanying the reaction of state governments were responses by private persons and organizations. A new group, the White Citizen's Council, engaged in a campaign to 'persuade' blacks who had registered to strike their names 'voluntarily' from the voting roles. In Sunflower County, Mississippi, the Council's efforts caused black registration to fall from 114 to zero within a matter of months.

    Economic coercion played an important role in dissuading blacks from voting or exercising other rights purportedly guaranteed by the Constitution. Also influential was the willingness and ability of whites to resort to violence in defense of the old order. Between 1955 and 1959, 210 incidents of racial violence were recorded in the eleven states of the Old Confederacy. This catalogue of terror included six murders, twenty-nine assaults with firearms, forty-four beatings, and sixty bombings. To put the matter more concretely it involved a raid by more than a hundred sheeted men into the black section of Maplesville, Alabama, that left six Negroes injured . . . the castration of a Negro handyman in Birmingham, Alabama, as part of a Klan ceremony . . . the flogging of a white school teacher in Camden, South Carolina, because he had allegedly made a favorable reference to desegregation . . . the shotgun displayed by a robed Klansman as a motorcade of some one hundred cars drove through a Negro residential section in Summerville, Georgia . . . the dynamiting of a white physician's home in Gaffney, South Carolina, because the physician's wife had written an article favoring racial justice . . . the Negro woman who withdrew her suit against a North Carolina school board after receiving threats that her children would never return if they attended the white school . . . [and] the flogging of a white sawmill worker in Stanton, Alabama, because he was accused of 'associating too freely with Negroes.'

    Such was the state of affairs in the South at mid-century.
    The Legal Status of the Southern Negro in 1955

    The Louisiana Literacy Test and How It Worked to Deny Black Voting Rights

    You can find a copy of the Louisiana Literacy test online here. How it works at one level was very simple. Every white applicant passed the test and, every African-American applicant failed. How is this possible? Here's how:

    - Any spelling error by an African-American applicant would be deemed sufficient by the white parish registrars to fail the candidate, but not for white applicants.

    - Punctuation errors were treated the same: failure for Blacks, but not for whites.

    - Circling any of the words "Mr." or "Mrs." or "Miss" instead of underlining the correct word would be grounds for failing an African-American applicant, but not for whites.

    When it came to interpreting a provision of the US Constitution, Black applicants would be asked to interpret the "full faith and credit" clause of Article IV, section 1 of the US Constitution or the "privileges and immunities" clause. But not for whites, they would be asked to explain the meaning of the "freedom of speech or freedom of religion" provisions of the First Amendment.

    Then the test — and how it was graded and administered — got even more insidious. Check out question 21. It says: "Spell backwards, forwards". If a Black person spelled "backwards" but omitted the comma, he/she would be flunked. If a Black person spelled "backwards," he/she would be flunked. If a Black person asked why, he/she would be told either "you forgot the comma," or "you shouldn't have included the comma," or "you should have spelled 'backwards, forwards'". Any plausible response by a white person would be accepted, and so would any implausible response.

    The same crazy unfairness was apparent in question 27. It was not a test of literacy at all. Question 27 read: "Write right from the left to the right as you see it spelled here." If a Black person were to print the answer, he/she would be failed because it says "write" so cursive writing was required. Not so for white people. If a Black person were to write "right" he/she would be failed. Why? Because, the registrar would say, you're supposed to write "right from the left to the right". If a Black person were to write "right from the left to the right", he/she would be failed. Why? Because, the registrar would say, you're supposed to write "right from the left to the right as you see it here." But not for white applicants; for them, any answer would be accepted.

    One error and you didn't pass — if you were African-American. The white voter registrars made the pass-fail decisions. Who appointed these voter registrars? The white parish (county) commissioners — that's who. Who elected the white parish commissioners? The mostly white population of registered voters, that's who — even if they were not really a majority of the parish population. If you're not registered to vote, you can't vote. Therefore, all the politicians who made the rules were white. And the police chiefs that enforce the laws were all white. And the policemen they hired were all white. If you are not registered to vote, you can't serve on a jury, so any time there's a criminal charge or a civil dispute in the courts, the judges and juries are all white. That's how it was in Tangipahoa Parish in the summer of 1964, and throughout most of Louisiana.

    Veterans of the Civil Rights Movement -- CORE's Freedom Summer*—*My Experiences in Louisiana
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You could stop right there
    Well, no I could not. Truth does not disappear from reality just because the person who finds/posts it is from the Netherlands.
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Phil Robertson suspension by A&E lifted. He will continue to participate in Duck Dynasty. The following statement was released by A&E today (12-27-13)

    As a global media content company, A+E Networks’ core values are centered around creativity, inclusion and mutual respect. We believe it is a privilege for our brands to be invited into people’s home and we operate with a strong sense of integrity and deep commitment to these principals.

    That is why we reacted so quickly and strongly to a recent interview with Phil Robertson. While Phil’s comments made in the interview reflect his personal views based on his own beliefs, and his own personal journey, he and his family have publicly stated they regret the “coarse language” he used and the mis-interpretation of his core beliefs based only on the article. He also made it clear he would “never incite or encourage hate.” We at A+E Networks expressed our disappointment with his statements in the article, and reiterate that they are not views we hold.

    But Duck Dynasty is not a show about one man's views. It resonates with a large audience because it is a show about family… a family that America has come to love. As you might have seen in many episodes, they come together to reflect and pray for unity, tolerance and forgiveness. These are three values that we at A+E Networks also feel strongly about.

    So after discussions with the Robertson family, as well as consulting with numerous advocacy groups, A&E has decided to resume filming Duck Dynasty later this spring with the entire Robertson family.
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