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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I expect that something similar to the following was in his contract



    What he said caused insult and shock to a segment of the population, A&E has the right to suspend or terminate the contract
    I agree they have no case in this regard. However that last isn't quire accurate. In real life the morals clause is to prevent shock and insult to a segment of the VIEWING population. The viewing population in this case is not shocked or insulted at all by Phil's comments.

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    right, and they would be both moral judgements: "homosexuality is ok" vs "homosexuality is not ok"
    It would be a good idea to understand the context of the statements you reference.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1062698662
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    Believing that homosexuality is morally wrong, is a known biblical belief, and saying so isnít necessarily homophobic, nor even bigoted. However, yes, the 1st Amendment was meant to protect the right to say things that others might find controversial or offensive, especially when it's a moral opinion. And therefore his being fired for such should fall within a violation of discrimination laws under the Civil Rights Act, Title VII which expressly forbids discrimination based on religious belief.
    Actually it just says religion, not religious belief. Phil can't be fired for being a Christian, he can be fired for damn near anything and everything else. Louisiana is a 'right to work state' which grants broad firing powers to an employer. A&E CAN suspend Phil if they feel his words/actions/ violate the A&E principles. They can can him for disobeying A&E directives.

    This isn't a freedom of speech/religion issue. It is a contractual one.

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's nonsense considering A&E does all sorts of shows that highlight the Bible (the source of Phil's quotes) as do other networks. You don't hear of the folks who tie aliens to the Bible in innumerable shows being fired for impugning mainstream beliefs.
    He took it upon himself to attack homosexuality.
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep. Losing the dozens of DD homosexual viewers would be terrible.

    A&E is simply loving the added free publicity of this self created controversy.
    Winner, winner chicken dinner! I just can't see A&E being stupid. This is a publicity move where they try to have their cake and eat it too. Most of the time such a move works out positively for the network/movie studio. Sometimes, like here, they miscalculate.

    In any event, guess what show is on everyone's lips. The old adage, "there is no such thing as bad publicity in this industry" rings true.

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I agree they have no case in this regard. However that last isn't quire accurate. In real life the morals clause is to prevent shock and insult to a segment of the VIEWING population. The viewing population in this case is not shocked or insulted at all by Phil's comments.
    A&E's viewing population is larger then just Duck Dynasty. A&E's advertisers may also be shocked by the comments and decide not to advertise on the channel because of it
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    He took it upon himself to attack homosexuality.
    No he didn't, he was responding to an interview about his personal beliefs. Beliefs that are largely shared by his viewing audience and fan base. Beliefs that he expressed before there was ever a show and that the show's producers were well aware of. You've obviously never watched the show.

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    It would be a good idea to understand the context of the statements you reference.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1062698662

    I did follow and understand the context. Which is why I pointed out that you raised a distinction without a difference: you originally cited the fact that you were discussing a normative vs positive argument (I am gay vs being gay is wrong). The person you were debating with corrected you and pointed out he is discussing two moral positions (it's ok being gay vs it isn't).

    Your response to this was to bring up the irrelevant point of saying "Saying you support homosexuality does not mean you oppose heterosexuality". Which is irrelevant to the fact that they are both normative

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The viewing population in this case is not shocked or insulted at all by Phil's comments.
    Qualitative statement that misses the forest for the trees. His actions strain A&E's ability to grab new viewers in the event his conduct went unpunished. They still risk facing backlash.

    In the end, he's just another dumb white man (i'm white btw). You can have a little bit of empathy for Paula Dean (it was said a long time ago). Duck dad learned a valuable lesson about what you can and cannot say publicly while under contract with a global media company.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No he didn't, he was responding to an interview about his personal beliefs. Beliefs that are largely shared by his viewing audience and fan base. Beliefs that he expressed before there was ever a show and that the show's producers were well aware of. You've obviously never watched the show.
    He could have said he opposes gay marriage or homosexuality. Instead, he created a PR nightmare.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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