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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    A&E made a business call. Their ad revenue was theatened so they had to do something to stop the being especially if a large segment of their veiwing audience is LGTB.

    As a Christian, I find no fault in what the Duck Dynasty star said. Biblical scripture does consider homosexuality a sin. But I suppose when an individual who is not of the cloth reaches celebraty status and quotes Scripture during an interview that is unreated to the movie or TV show he/she performs in that person had best bit his tongue so as not to offend rather than speak the truth.

    Free speech be damned. I mean, it's just business, right?



    No one has interfered with anyone's free speech rights.

    Phil Robertson said what he wanted to say and now he knows that maybe he should have kept his mouth shut.

    That's the way it works in the USA.

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    Indefinitely suspending him is merely a euphemism for being terminated from employment.
    Homosexuality being sin is a known belief of Abrahamic religions, so yes, he was "suspended" for expressing his religious belief, which included a paraphrase of Corinthians.
    Employers cannot fire employees for reasons that would violate anti-discrimination laws.
    However, it's up to him to pursue a grievance on the issue for it to be enforced.
    Again good thing you aren't a lawyer, he wasn't suspended for his religion. There is a reason no lawsuits are coming over this because they can't. You are truly desperate.

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How is it bigoted, or homophobic?
    Black people were happy with their lot? And using the bible to say gays are wrong doesn't make it not homophobic. The Bible says a lot of things we no longer accept. Nor should we. I'd read more New Testament if I were you guys. Just saying.

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    Indefinitely suspending him is merely a euphemism for being terminated from employment.
    Homosexuality being sin is a known belief of Abrahamic religions, so yes, he was "suspended" for expressing his religious belief, which included a paraphrase of Corinthians.
    Employers cannot fire employees for reasons that would violate anti-discrimination laws.
    However, it's up to him to pursue a grievance on the issue for it to be enforced.
    I expect that something similar to the following was in his contract

    The impetus for a morals clause in contracts for 'talent,' i.e., artistic performers appears to have been a reaction to the Roscoe 'Fatty' Arbuckle case in 1921. Subsequent to media outcry, Universal Studios decided to add a morals clause to contracts. The text of the 1921 Universal Studios clause read as follows: "The actor (actress) agrees to conduct himself (herself) with due regard to public conventions and morals and agrees that he (she) will not do or commit anything tending to degrade him (her) in society or bring him (her) into public hatred, contempt, scorn or ridicule, or tending to shock, insult or offend the community or outrage public morals or decency, or tending to the prejudice of the Universal Film Manufacturing Company or the motion picture industry. In the event that the actor (actress) violates any term or provision of this paragraph, then the Universal Film Manufacturing Company has the right to cancel and annul this contract by giving five (5) days’ notice to the actor (actress) of its intention to do so."[2]
    What he said caused insult and shock to a segment of the population, A&E has the right to suspend or terminate the contract
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    By this logic, any person who publicly states they are gay may be fired for the same reason.
    If you represent the company, you've always been subject to lose your job when you put the company in a bad light. This us not new. And no network has to run any show or hire any actor. No one's rights have been violated.

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    There is expressing your opinion..., and then there is expressing your opinion.
    Um, yeah, expressing your opinion is expressing your opinion.

    ďStart with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men"

    This part was a response to the direct question, "what do you think is a sin"

    "Donít be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers -- they wonít inherit the kingdom of God. Donít deceive yourself. Itís not right.Ē

    And this was a paraphrase of Corinthians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    He obviously doesn't listen to his PR/legal team, or they are just plain incompetent.
    Perhaps, but he was asked a direct question on the subject, so he answered it. That's not a legal justification of termination, IMO.
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    By this logic, any person who publicly states they are gay may be fired for the same reason.
    And if they work for a Christian organization that is anti gay they would be.

    A teacher working for a catholic school was fired for getting married
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again good thing you aren't a lawyer, he wasn't suspended for his religion. There is a reason no lawsuits are coming over this because they can't. You are truly desperate.
    The desperation is your own, evident in the ad hominem, and merely repeating that he wasn't suspended for his religious belief, when that was clearly the case. No lawsuits is not an absolutely indication that there cannot be. Don't get your panties in a wad, I have no subjective goal on this issue, and disagree with his opinion, but he has the right to have it without being fired.
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    What he said caused insult and shock to a segment of the population, A&E has the right to suspend or terminate the contract
    Having taken your quote in consideration, this is still a religious issue. For all intensive purposes, one never knows when they might shock or insult a segment of the population with a statement in a magazine whose readers consist predominantly of heterosexual men. Even if we take the whole stereotype of a 'southern red neck' in the bible belt - which is the whole theme of the show - shouldn't be that shocking.
    To think it's an insult for someone to say homosexuality is a sin is rather weak.
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    Having taken your quote in consideration, this is still a religious issue. For all intensive purposes, one never knows when they might shock or insult a segment of the population with a statement in a magazine whose readers consist predominantly of heterosexual men. Even if we take the whole stereotype of a 'southern red neck' in the bible belt - which is the whole theme of the show - shouldn't be that shocking.
    To think it's an insult for someone to say homosexuality is a sin is rather weak.
    It is a rather open clause that allows a company to take action when an employee does something that may harm the company. A&E was I am sure considering the potential lose of business from what the guy mentioned and decided to invoke the clause. The guy was not suspended over a religious issue, he was suspended because of the potential harm his actions could cause A&E


    I would expect if a person on a religious TV show in a private interview stated that god does not exist and people are idiots for believing in god, I believe he would be fired very quickly for expressing his right to free speech.
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