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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No i am not. I believe Westboro is a bigot and i believe this Duck Dynasty guy is also a bigot.
    Terrorists are Muslims and Americans are Muslims...

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The simple fact is the patriarch of the family was allowed to say what he wanted and A&E was free to suspend him for it. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can call your boss an asshole and not be fired. Same thing here. There are certain things you don't do and when you put your employer in a bad light, you get suspended. Don't like it don't watch A&E.

    This isn't an issue of insulting your employer. This is a very specific case of someone being fired for a expressing a religious/moral opinion. I believe this is illegal under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act which prohibits an employer from discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex and national origin - and I would think a contract shouldn't matter on that issue.

    Btw, I've never even watched the show, lol
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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I forget you always have the high horse.....
    Attacking me does nothing to address your intellectual issue above


    So you cant answer any of my questions?
    as usual your question really have no bearing on what is being discussed and simply seek to evade the issue. For example: if in response to you expressing some socialist principle I would go "Stalin supported that" I'm clearly trying to associate you and that belief with Stalin. It doesn't matter if I don't make my association more explicit.

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Meh, a&e is responding to threats and possible financial repercussions from groups like GLAAD. Which is certainly their right and likely in their interest. But the failure here is on the part of such organizations thinking that trying to drown out and suppress such views is the strategically and morally right thing to do.

    Unfortunately the debate on Gay rights is far from a consensus, and while there is a natural demographic shift going on, and I think a clear consensus on the issue is inevitable, it isn't going to be helped by having groups running around trying to force people into acceptance (as demonstrated by the general response to both this and the chick-a-fila protests). Cooler and more rational heads would have simply used both incidents to publicly challenge such ideas and expose them for what they were

    All this does is lend credibility to the idea traditional american values are being openly attacked
    Traditional values are being openly attacked? Puuuhhhlease. If attacking homosexuals is "traditional values" then good riddance.' It used to be "traditional" for races to only marry amongst the same race.

    No, traditional values are not being attacked, a station is standing up for gays like they have a right to.

    If a worker on a Christian show openly complained about Christians and how Christianity leads to fascism, I would support that station suspending or firing the worker.

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Attacking me does nothing to address your intellectual issue above
    Yes because post #1239 isnt a personal attack at all


    as usual your question really have no bearing on what is being discussed and simply seek to evade the issue. For example: if in response to you expressing some socialist principle I would go "Stalin supported that" I'm clearly trying to associate you and that belief with Stalin. It doesn't matter if I don't make my association more explicit.
    Im not associating them nor have i ever. Westbroro is planning to support the guy via protest. This is an event that is going to occur.


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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Yes, look how well the chik-a-fila boycotts worked~!!!
    The Cracker Barrel pulled all Phil's merchandise, lasted all of one day before they caved.

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Terrorists are Muslims and Americans are Muslims...
    Both in my opinion being bigots does not associate them together... In my opinion both are bigots. Another example is the KKK are The New Black Panthers are both bigots but they are not associated together...


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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Traditional values are being openly attacked? Puuuhhhlease.
    Can you read: "All this does is lend credibility to the idea traditional american values are being openly attacked"

    Not the part "lends credibility", and the lack of "is". And regardless if that is correct or not, clearly a large segment of the population views this and the chick-a-fila boycott as an attack on traditional values


    If attacking homosexuals is "traditional values" then good riddance.' It used to be "traditional" for races to only marry amongst the same race.
    Again, try reading: "Unfortunately the debate on Gay rights is far from a consensus, and while there is a natural demographic shift going on, and I think a clear consensus on the issue is inevitable, it isn't going to be helped by having groups running around trying to force people into acceptance (as demonstrated by the general response to both this and the chick-a-fila protests)."

    No, traditional values are not being attacked, a station is standing up for gays like they have a right to.
    If the concern here on a&e's part was moral integrity they would have never given the guy a show to begin with. Their response is one of financial concern, which I fully understand and take no issue with. My problem is that if you're trying to promote the opposite view than this guy (GLAAD), then you are going about it completely wrong, on both a moral and strategic perspective

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Both in my opinion being bigots does not associate them together... In my opinion both are bigots. Another example is the KKK are The New Black Panthers are both bigots but they are not associated together...
    What?

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    Re: 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended by A&E

    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    This isn't an issue of insulting your employer. This is a very specific case of someone being fired for a expressing a religious/moral opinion. I believe this is illegal under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act which prohibits an employer from discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex and national origin - and I would think a contract shouldn't matter on that issue.

    Btw, I've never even watched the show, lol
    Good thing you aren't a lawyer then.

    No it sent against the law to suspend him. He wasn't suspended because of his religion.

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