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    Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    Christianity is beginning “to disappear” in its own birthplace after 2,000 years because of a wave of “organised persecution” across the Middle East, the Prince of Wales has warned.
    In an impassioned intervention, he said that the world is in danger of losing something “irreplaceably precious” with communities tracing their history back to the time of Jesus now under threat from fundamentalist Islamist militants.

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    And the Prince, a long-standing advocate of dialogue between religions, voiced personal dismay at seeing his work over the last 20 years to “build bridges and dispel ignorance” being deliberately destroyed by those attempting to exploit the Arab Spring for their own ends.

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    “It seems to me that we cannot ignore the fact that Christians in the Middle East are increasingly being deliberately targeted by fundamentalist Islamist militants.”

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    Ok, so while we in this country moan and whine when we see a nativity scene in someones front yard, or a Memorial cross on a hill that has been there for 100 years in one form or another, Christians in the middle east are being displaced, murdered, and driven out....Where's the outrage about that? Or maybe those that attack Christianity here in this country, claiming the rights of the minority, at the expense of tyranny over the majority, agree that these Christians should be persecuted....
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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    I think you would find that those that are accused of being at war with Christianity in the US were generally against the invasion of Iraq, which turned out to be a bad thing for Iraqi Christians, or the support of Syrian rebels. which again has turned out to be bad for Syrian Christians.

    Last but not least, since that group of people support minority rights, and Christians are a minority religion in the ME, they would be supportive of the Christian groups in the ME, wanting them to have the same rights to practice their religion or lack there off as the dominate religious group. Or in general that religion and politics should not mix as to allow religious freedom for all
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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I think you would find that those that are accused of being at war with Christianity in the US were generally against the invasion of Iraq, which turned out to be a bad thing for Iraqi Christians, or the support of Syrian rebels. which again has turned out to be bad for Syrian Christians.
    Mornin' LT...I see, so it's Bush's fault? Is that right?

    Last but not least, since that group of people support minority rights, and Christians are a minority religion in the ME, they would be supportive of the Christian groups in the ME, wanting them to have the same rights to practice their religion or lack there off as the dominate religious group. Or in general that religion and politics should not mix as to allow religious freedom for all
    I think you are missing the point....Christianity is being exterminated from its birthplace....And all you can muster is a passing 'eh, separation of Church and state' or 'It's Bush's fault'???? That is truly disappointing.
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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    There is outrage. People simply dont care.

    And in some places it is aloust to late to do anything.

    Iraq for example has almoust successfully driven all christians out of it`s country.

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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so while we in this country moan and whine when we see a nativity scene in someones front yard, or a Memorial cross on a hill that has been there for 100 years in one form or another, Christians in the middle east are being displaced, murdered, and driven out....Where's the outrage about that? Or maybe those that attack Christianity here in this country, claiming the rights of the minority, at the expense of tyranny over the majority, agree that these Christians should be persecuted....
    This is why Christians in the US (myself included) need to stop feeling defensive and persecuted in the US. I definitely don't agree that every religious symbol should be removed from public view but considering the depth of real persecution our Christian breathren face in other parts of the world, we need to maintain some perspective.

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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    It amazes me how little some Christians believe in their own religion. If you're secure in your faith, why should you care if Christianity is being overtaken in the Middle East?

    I consider myself a Christian, but unlike so many other Christians, I don't have to rely on others to be secure in my faith. I have my relationship with God, and what other people believe has no effect on what I believe. It never ceases to amaze me how so many Christians are so scared of being wrong, they need the support of others to be right.

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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    It amazes me how little some Christians believe in their own religion. If you're secure in your faith, why should you care if Christianity is being overtaken in the Middle East?
    It is not about something being overtaken.

    The Christians in Iraq were driven out of their country through bomings, kidnapings and murders. The Christians in Egypt have suffered for generations under institutionalised discrimination and repeating terror attacks. And at the middle eastern borders with Black Africa, secterian conflict has exists for almoust 1200 years. Only a few countries in the middle east such as Turkey, Israel, Jordania and Tunisia actualy undertake messures to secure that religious minority.

    So it is not some silly question of faith but a question of human rights.

    But I doubt that the OP sees it this way. The OP is probably evangelical, so he probably wouldnt want much to do with the Coptic christians of the middle east whos traditions are more releated to eastern European orthodoxy than any form of protestantism. He is merely using a tragedy for a conservative talkingpoint.

    And I also believe that OP wouldnt speak out and defend the rights of muslims who are persecuted in India, Myanmar and Central Africa. Or any other persecuted religious minority that is not christian.

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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so while we in this country moan and whine when we see a nativity scene in someones front yard, or a Memorial cross on a hill that has been there for 100 years in one form or another, Christians in the middle east are being displaced, murdered, and driven out....Where's the outrage about that? Or maybe those that attack Christianity here in this country, claiming the rights of the minority, at the expense of tyranny over the majority, agree that these Christians should be persecuted....
    Actually no one cares if there's a nativity scene or memorial cross in someone's front yard...it's displaying it on public land that is the issue.

    I'm not sure where you are going with the second part. Different minority groups are attacked every day in other countries. Advocacy groups try to raise awareness. Those advocacy groups are probably upset as well that there isn't sufficient outrage at whatever their cause is.

    You seem to be making a convoluted argument that if you're not sufficiently outraged you condone an activity?
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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Actually no one cares if there's a nativity scene or memorial cross in someone's front yard...it's displaying it on public land that is the issue.

    I'm not sure where you are going with the second part. Different minority groups are attacked every day in other countries. Advocacy groups try to raise awareness. Those advocacy groups are probably upset as well that there isn't sufficient outrage at whatever their cause is.

    You seem to be making a convoluted argument that if you're not sufficiently outraged you condone an activity?
    Sometimes what you don't say can speak just as loudly as what you do.

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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    It is not about something being overtaken.
    Uhh, the Prince of Wales kind of said it was...

    So it is not some silly question of faith but a question of human rights.
    No, it SHOULD be a question of human rights, but it's not. It's about Christians.

    And I also believe that OP wouldnt speak out and defend the rights of muslims who are persecuted in India, Myanmar and Central Africa. Or any other persecuted religious minority that is not christian.
    Exactly. It SHOULD be about human rights of everyone, regardless of their religion. We shouldn't care Christians are being killed, we should care people are being killed. But this thread, referencing the Prince of Wales, has made it about Christians, which to me speaks of a certain insecurity so many Christians have.

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