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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

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    We can only imagine at what a hospitable and democratic place the Mid East would be if Christianity had remained in place.
    Dreams that paint a religious utopias tend to be based on serious cherry picking.
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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The Middle East, the home of Judaism and Christianity, has been taken over by Muslims. Doesn't that tell you who is expanding their borders and taking over the region? We can only imagine at what a hospitable and democratic place the Mid East would be if Christianity had remained in place.
    You have no idea what you are talking about. The middle east has never had a Christian majority. The Muslims conquered it from the Zoroastrian Sasanians. You can also hardly call wars from 1000 years ago to be "expanding borders" in modern times.

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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Dreams that paint a religious utopias tend to be based on serious cherry picking.
    Never mentioned 'religious utopias' but it seems clear that people in Christian nations have done a lot better than those living in Islamic nations. Is this even open to debate??

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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

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    You have no idea what you are talking about. The middle east has never had a Christian majority. The Muslims conquered it from the Zoroastrian Sasanians. You can also hardly call wars from 1000 years ago to be "expanding borders" in modern times.
    No, my friend , it is you who has no idea. I never mentioned "Christian majority" at all.

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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, my friend , it is you who has no idea. I never mentioned "Christian majority" at all.
    Your exact words were "Christianity remained in place", which implies Christianity was once the dominant religion in the area. If that wasn't what you meant, please clarify.

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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

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    Never mentioned 'religious utopias' but it seems clear that people in Christian nations have done a lot better than those living in Islamic nations. Is this even open to debate??
    Depends on what you consider "better" and "Christian nations". Are we including countries in Sub-Saharan Africa and Latin America? Because if we are, I could come up with about 2 dozen examples refuting any claims of "done better" and supporting "equally as ****ed". But if we're only cherry picking Europe (and really, what you mean is everything except Eastern Europe), Australia, US and Canada, I guess you could claim some sort of superiority. The rest of modern Christianity, which technically is most of Christianity has done pretty terribly.

    South America had about 15 wars in a 20 year period. Africa had about 50 in a period where the Middle East was relatively calm. Africa has entire Christian countries which have served as war zones for 30 years. Which "Islamic" country even comes close to that? Whereas most of the Islamic world has enjoyed relative peace (Indonesia, India, Turkey, Algeria, Morocco - Pakistan to a lesser degree), the majority of the "Christian world" has been at war nonstop for the last 100 years. So really, it's a matter of 1) which countries you consider to be part of "Christianity" and 2) what you consider "doing better".
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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    I was under the impression that the jewish, christian and islamic faith all began in the middle east and stemmed from judeo-christian/abrahamic beliefs and its not like christianity isn't guilty of doing the same things the muslims have been doing. It really seems like a cycle that those three faiths follow.

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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Never mentioned 'religious utopias' but it seems clear that people in Christian nations have done a lot better than those living in Islamic nations. Is this even open to debate??
    Hardly. You can find plenty of crappy christian nations and excellent non-christian ones. Secular government, regardless of whatever the religious beliefs of the local populace are, is the basis for vibrant nation states today.

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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    You have no idea what you are talking about. The middle east has never had a Christian majority. The Muslims conquered it from the Zoroastrian Sasanians. You can also hardly call wars from 1000 years ago to be "expanding borders" in modern times.
    Why not? Isn't it liberals constantly using the crusades as an example of Christian aggression?
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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Your exact words were "Christianity remained in place", which implies Christianity was once the dominant religion in the area. If that wasn't what you meant, please clarify.
    So you are going with 'implying"? Just go by what I said, ok?, and there will be no misunderstandings.

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