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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    It means there is absolutely nothing wrong with being upset with the suffering and persecution of people, but when one only cares because of a certain criteria the people possess, then it's hard for me to see sincerity, and not selfishness or insecurity, in one's words.
    Sort of like Obama expressing concern for Trayvon since he looked just like his own son would. Many plea for an end to civil/human rights from specific forms of bigotry, not to demean those others subjected to abuse, but to call attention to specific groups being targeted for special attention. I doubt that he feels that the abuse of rights is OK for non-Christians, but intended to highlight the special hatred shown toward Christians. Just a guess, of course, you are probably right - surly he thinks it is just peachy to beat/stone women for disobedience, prevent women from driving or being educated and believes that women should never be seen in public.
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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    Maybe it's because ever since the "war on terror" began, American evangelical missionaries have flooded the middle east, often manipulatively, which is a classical leftover of colonialism. There were plenty of stories coming out of Afghanistan about missionaries dressed in burquas pretending to be Muslims who had converted to Christianity, when really they were white Americans. In Afghanistan after the media lockdown on the press began, evangelicals were still given more free access than even our journalists. Once Amnesty International started reporting on the intensive proselytizing and seizing of children by these religious fundamentalists, the U.S. started cracking down, but it has never been complete.

    In places that are more lawless like Uganda, missionaries have been seizing social and political power, mostly by preying on local ignorance, to implement their evangelical vision of the world because their crackpot ideology will never be accepted in the United States and the rest of the western world. Essentially in every country we invade, the evangelicals follow. They may not have our government endorsement but they certainly don't have its condemnation.

    The Middle East has felt invaded by us not only politically but ideologically. And people wonder why Christians aren't safe there anymore? The U.S. war machine comes part and parcel with religious zealotry most of the time. This particular brand of Christian relies on war to carve new ideological pathways into regions that would normally be deaf to its message. And once there, these zealots use all manner of dirty tactics which offend local culture and beliefs.

    The Christians who were already there were not the problem. It is the radical American Christians who turned the region against Christianity in general. In some places the balance was a very delicate one to begin with, but these zealots tipped the scales.

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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Sort of like Obama expressing concern for Trayvon since he looked just like his own son would.
    That's not what Obama said, nor is it really even close to what he said. Obama expressed concern that any child would be killed, because as a parent, he understands what children mean. Significant difference.

    Obama On Trayvon Martin Case: 'If I Had A Son, He'd Look Like Trayvon'

    Many plea for an end to civil/human rights from specific forms of bigotry, not to demean those others subjected to abuse, but to call attention to specific groups being targeted for special attention. I doubt that he feels that the abuse of rights is OK for non-Christians, but intended to highlight the special hatred shown toward Christians.
    But only because he (threadstarter and prince) are Christian, would be my guess.

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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Uhh, the Prince of Wales kind of said it was...

    No, it SHOULD be a question of human rights, but it's not. It's about Christians.
    Christians aren't human?

    Exactly. It SHOULD be about human rights of everyone, regardless of their religion. We shouldn't care Christians are being killed, we should care people are being killed. But this thread, referencing the Prince of Wales, has made it about Christians, which to me speaks of a certain insecurity so many Christians have.
    We shouldn't care about Christians being killed and imprisoned for being Christian?

    It really shouldn't surprise me what people say anymore, but sometimes it still does.

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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

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    Christians aren't human?



    We shouldn't care about Christians being killed and imprisoned for being Christian?
    Perhaps you should read the entire thread first, or at least my posts in the thread.

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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Mornin' LT...I see, so it's Bush's fault? Is that right?



    I think you are missing the point....Christianity is being exterminated from its birthplace....And all you can muster is a passing 'eh, separation of Church and state' or 'It's Bush's fault'???? That is truly disappointing.
    Did I mention Bush anywhere? Certainly not, it is not about Bush, it is about your statement that the people who support the separation of church and state (which you associate with a war on Christians) don't mind the violence that is occurring in Iraq, and Syria predominately towards Christians (and other groups which you don't seem to care about ). Which is why I mentioned that that same group of people were generally against the war which generally allowed the violence against Christians in Iraq to take place (meaning they would generally be against the violence then and now)


    As for what to do?

    The US invaded Iraq, and the Christians were driven out, in Syria, the US supported the rebels (working with Saudi Arabia) and the Christians (again not just Christians) are leaving as refugees. Should the US invade Egypt and cause the exodus of the Copt's? Should the US bomb everyone but Christians?

    The choices are limited and unless involving a massive ground force unlikely to do anything effective
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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    It is not about something being overtaken.

    The Christians in Iraq were driven out of their country through bomings, kidnapings and murders. The Christians in Egypt have suffered for generations under institutionalised discrimination and repeating terror attacks. And at the middle eastern borders with Black Africa, secterian conflict has exists for almoust 1200 years. Only a few countries in the middle east such as Turkey, Israel, Jordania and Tunisia actualy undertake messures to secure that religious minority.

    So it is not some silly question of faith but a question of human rights.

    But I doubt that the OP sees it this way. The OP is probably evangelical, so he probably wouldnt want much to do with the Coptic christians of the middle east whos traditions are more releated to eastern European orthodoxy than any form of protestantism. He is merely using a tragedy for a conservative talkingpoint.

    And I also believe that OP wouldnt speak out and defend the rights of muslims who are persecuted in India, Myanmar and Central Africa. Or any other persecuted religious minority that is not christian.
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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Maybe it's because ever since the "war on terror" began, American evangelical missionaries have flooded the middle east, often manipulatively, which is a classical leftover of colonialism. There were plenty of stories coming out of Afghanistan about missionaries dressed in burquas pretending to be Muslims who had converted to Christianity, when really they were white Americans. In Afghanistan after the media lockdown on the press began, evangelicals were still given more free access than even our journalists. Once Amnesty International started reporting on the intensive proselytizing and seizing of children by these religious fundamentalists, the U.S. started cracking down, but it has never been complete.

    In places that are more lawless like Uganda, missionaries have been seizing social and political power, mostly by preying on local ignorance, to implement their evangelical vision of the world because their crackpot ideology will never be accepted in the United States and the rest of the western world. Essentially in every country we invade, the evangelicals follow. They may not have our government endorsement but they certainly don't have its condemnation.

    The Middle East has felt invaded by us not only politically but ideologically. And people wonder why Christians aren't safe there anymore? The U.S. war machine comes part and parcel with religious zealotry most of the time. This particular brand of Christian relies on war to carve new ideological pathways into regions that would normally be deaf to its message. And once there, these zealots use all manner of dirty tactics which offend local culture and beliefs.

    The Christians who were already there were not the problem. It is the radical American Christians who turned the region against Christianity in general. In some places the balance was a very delicate one to begin with, but these zealots tipped the scales.
    The Middle East, the home of Judaism and Christianity, has been taken over by Muslims. Doesn't that tell you who is expanding their borders and taking over the region? We can only imagine at what a hospitable and democratic place the Mid East would be if Christianity had remained in place.

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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

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    The Middle East, the home of Judaism and Christianity, has been taken over by Muslims. Doesn't that tell you who is expanding their borders and taking over the region? We can only imagine at what a hospitable and democratic place the Mid East would be if Christianity had remained in place.
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    Re: Christianity beginning 'to disappear' in its birthplace, warns Prince of Wales

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