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    Re: Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

    Quote Originally Posted by Executor View Post
    Clinton's $300 Billion surplus was something to brag about, but the debt was $5 Trillion after Clinton, $10 Trillion after Bush and will be $20 Trillion after Obama. It doesn't look good that Obama and the dems refuse to cut spending, address the entitlements and continue say that spending isn't the problem.
    The Billions in corporate welfare that the republicans refuse to cut is much more of a problem to the economy than things like medicare and social security which are always what the Republicans want to cut first.
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    Re: Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

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    Cut the tax breaks for oil companies and you'll get $4 billion. Unfunded liabilities for the entitlements is $125 Trillion. Yet when they offer honest reforms like Simpson Bowles or the Ryan plan, Obama uses it to say Reps want to throw granny off the cliff. (had you convinced). Reps want to SAVE seniors from the automatic cuts coming. Common sense reform is necessary, not the $716 Billion in cuts to Medicare Obama has made to pay for expanding medicaid in obamacare. That WILL be reversed!! He's losing the youth vote AND the senior vote!

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    Re: Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The whole idea of putting the cost of health care on the backs of employers is a bad idea. The system you Canadians have may not be perfect, either, but it is less expensive than what we have and doesn't require employers to provide health coverage.
    It's why many companies set up shop here, although in most large companies they do provide supplementary health insurance to cover the ever growing delisting of UHC services and products covered. I believe you'll get there in my lifetime. The ACA will so destroy the private insurance market that most of the small players will leave the primary health insurance field and settle on the supplemental coverage, similar to here in Canada - they're mostly all the same big multinational companies anyway. It may be gradual, but government will have to more and more fill the void.
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    Re: Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The cost of health care is and has been for some time a major depressor of economic activity in the US. If the ACA can at least level off the increase somewhat, as it seems to be doing currently, then it might help a bit, but we have a long way to go to solve the health care cost crisis we're experiencing.
    Health care costs went up as soon as a middleman came between the doctor and patient. Health Care Insurance was a scam the governments supported by not allowing competition between states, as well as reforming tort laws. Lobbyists had to play a large role in this, and because most politicians are lawyers the lobbyists were often the politicians themselves.

    Obamacare will make things even worse, a 'reform' headed in an entirely wrong direction.

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    Re: Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

    Quote Originally Posted by Executor View Post
    Clinton's $300 Billion surplus was something to brag about, but the debt was $5 Trillion after Clinton, $10 Trillion after Bush and will be $20 Trillion after Obama. It doesn't look good that Obama and the dems refuse to cut spending, address the entitlements and continue say that spending isn't the problem.
    Yes, it\s easy enough to balance a budget if you're borrowing money from outside sources. No problem then with a 'surplus' as well,

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    Re: Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The Billions in corporate welfare that the republicans refuse to cut is much more of a problem to the economy than things like medicare and social security which are always what the Republicans want to cut first.
    What?? Wasn't it Obama who got the government involved in Solyndra, as well as more billions gone to shady contractors in his 'stimulus' plan? And isn't it the dems who are actually cutting medicare?

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    Re: Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It's why many companies set up shop here, although in most large companies they do provide supplementary health insurance to cover the ever growing delisting of UHC services and products covered. I believe you'll get there in my lifetime. The ACA will so destroy the private insurance market that most of the small players will leave the primary health insurance field and settle on the supplemental coverage, similar to here in Canada - they're mostly all the same big multinational companies anyway. It may be gradual, but government will have to more and more fill the void.
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    Re: Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and what has been happening to the stock market recently?
    and why do you think that is? Yes, this is a test.


    EDIT: Never mind, as I read farther I see Canuk John has already set you straight.
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    Re: Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Here is something to think about when a president's approval rating is at 45% or below just before the mid term election.


    The following midterms happened when a presidentís approval rating is at 45% or below:
    1974 Ford 42% Minus 5 senate Minus 48 House seats
    1982 Reagan 43% Plus 1 senate Minus 26 House seats
    1994 Clinton 41% Minus 9 senate Minus 54 House seats
    2006 Bush II 37% Minus 6 senate Minus 33 House seats
    2010 Obama 45% Minus 6 senate Minus 63 House seats

    But keep in mind that President Obama has 11 months to climb above this and since 1 November when he was at 39% he has climbed back up to 41% today according to the RCP averages.
    Two points is meaningless as it falls well within the margin of error and as more people get screwed with obamacare his numbers will continue to plummet.

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    Re: Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Two points is meaningless as it falls well within the margin of error and as more people get screwed with obamacare his numbers will continue to plummet.
    Perhaps, but what I used was the RCP numbers which averages polls. If you hadn't caught the trend going on over the last week or two it seems the Democrats have bottomed out and slowly they are starting to climb. Today Obama is up to 42% from 39%. But also look at the Generic Congressional polling results, on 1 November the Democrats were up by 8 points, a little over a week ago the Republicans had taken a 2 point lead, today the Democrats have regained the lead by a single point. RCP averages 6 polls in the congressional

    So the game and the ride goes on.
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