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    Re: Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    That's hilarious. These figures are a matter of historical record and have nothing to do with projections that were made at the time. You have exactly zero clue what you're talking about here.
    In fact the debt grew during Clinton's Presidency which means he borrowed the money in order to meet a budget and have a surplus. That does not take much talent.

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    Re: Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You're basing your ideas on movies...
    No... far from it. But movies do show at least in some part the real world at its worst. And Wall Street is one of those movies.

    I have a pretty good understanding of free market economics - its nothing like Wall Street the movie - at least not in the sense you're thinking.
    There is one hell of a difference between free market economics and understanding that, and how people on Wall Street or London act and have acted the last 40 years. And that is where the movie Wall Street is quite real... the utter depravity and greed in that movie is a very good representation of what actually happens. The 100s of thousands of dollars wasted on champagne parties, drugs and hookers.. they are far more than an urban myth, they are and were especially in the 1980s and 1990s very real.

    You ever see that movie with Dan Aykroyd, Eddie Murphy and Jamie Lee Curtis??? does it work like that too where they sell corn like ****?
    Yea funny movie.. was on tv a few weeks ago. As for being factual.. no, but that is not the point of the movie is it now... it is to show how greedy and elitist (and racist) the main "badies" are, and they represent the elitist banking industry.

    It is no different than the movie Arthur showing the dark side (and funny) of the 1% of the 1%.. and how power and money can control and corrupt people.

    The very fact that you seem to be in denial over the excesses of Wall Street and the City of London over the last 30+ years is rather shocking. If it was not for this greed and arrogance, then we would not have had the libor scandal, or economic crash.
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    Re: Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    We don't have any choice. The politics business here is run by political parties. They decide who the candidates are, not the public.
    .. and corporations tell both parties who to choose.

    Obama and Bush both had the same Puppetmaters.
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    Re: Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No... far from it. But movies do show at least in some part the real world at its worst. And Wall Street is one of those movies.
    Europeans often have problems distinguishing Hollywood movies with documentaries. Perhaps there should be another classification added so they can better understand the difference.

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    Re: Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No... far from it. But movies do show at least in some part the real world at its worst. And Wall Street is one of those movies.



    There is one hell of a difference between free market economics and understanding that, and how people on Wall Street or London act and have acted the last 40 years. And that is where the movie Wall Street is quite real... the utter depravity and greed in that movie is a very good representation of what actually happens. The 100s of thousands of dollars wasted on champagne parties, drugs and hookers.. they are far more than an urban myth, they are and were especially in the 1980s and 1990s very real.



    Yea funny movie.. was on tv a few weeks ago. As for being factual.. no, but that is not the point of the movie is it now... it is to show how greedy and elitist (and racist) the main "badies" are, and they represent the elitist banking industry.

    It is no different than the movie Arthur showing the dark side (and funny) of the 1% of the 1%.. and how power and money can control and corrupt people.

    The very fact that you seem to be in denial over the excesses of Wall Street and the City of London over the last 30+ years is rather shocking. If it was not for this greed and arrogance, then we would not have had the libor scandal, or economic crash.
    OMG that is the funniest thing I have ever read I think....Kudos to you Pete for the obvious tongue in cheek satire you posted here....

    But, Just in case you were serious, {I hope not} Without market trading we wouldn't have risk, that is true enough, we also wouldn't have an economy.....What would you propose be the economic system in its place?
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    Re: Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Clinton allowed it to happen - I'll say that much..

    That whole "force banks to lend" crap was a problem but there has been plenty of time between that and now - like 20 years.

    At least we're making progress with the destruction of the clowns that claim "we can get you out of your $177,000 debt for only $9.99 every month" - no wait that's our federal government not the clowns - the FED just prints money to "ease" it down to nothing while making the general public eat it.

    Clinton was the most economically reckless president ever.

    If it matters Bush did hardly anything to correct any of Clintons stupid ****....
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    See Clinton just used banks as a stimulus program by forcing lending....

    That lead to the bailouts.........

    Our government forced banks to lend then made them look stupid when they defaulted - not that I don't believe the banks loved the interest rates. But the only problem was the interest rates didn't matter when they couldn't be paid.

    That was the ****ing problem...

    I don't know what anyone was thinking for about 20 years...

    No all the collateral has been taken and everyone is crying "I'm poor" -- yeah well they should have thought about that when they bought the boat 10 years ago with 5% down.

    Now who is stuck with this ****? oh guys like me in their 30's or even younger - guys who were 5-years-old when you bought that boat..... They pay for it...
    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Hey look at this way... at least the right stopped blaming Bill Clinton for everything...
    Nope. They don't blame him for their sciatica, for example.
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    Re: Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    OMG that is the funniest thing I have ever read I think....Kudos to you Pete for the obvious tongue in cheek satire you posted here....

    But, Just in case you were serious, {I hope not} Without market trading we wouldn't have risk, that is true enough, we also wouldn't have an economy.....What would you propose be the economic system in its place?
    OH I am very serious. The whole crisis we are in now, started on wall street and was created by wall street. Their ability to manipulate the legislation that governs them so that they can do pretty much what they want and let the taxpayer take the fall is mind-boggling. Market trading is not the problem, it is the atmosphere generated by the unchecked greed and ability to make profit out of nothing. The markets need serious regulation to curb things like speculation with other peoples money/stocks. Had the regulation been there and been used, then the crisis would never have gotten as bad as it did. The very fact that Wall Street sold crap with AAA ratings shows how out of touch and greedy they had (and still have) become.

    Now instead they, with their loyal right wing backers, blame the left, communism, terrorists and everything in between and refuse to be accountable for their own failings.
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    Re: Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

    Both presidents were crap. Both numbers should be crap.

    Nothing more to see here.

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    Re: Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    OH I am very serious. The whole crisis we are in now, started on wall street and was created by wall street.
    The movie? Should we attack Michael Douglas?

    Their ability to manipulate the legislation that governs them so that they can do pretty much what they want and let the taxpayer take the fall is mind-boggling. Market trading is not the problem, it is the atmosphere generated by the unchecked greed and ability to make profit out of nothing.
    Hmmm...I think you have a great misunderstanding of how the investment market works. Is 'greed' a part of it? yeah sure I guess, but then again is regulation.

    The markets need serious regulation to curb things like speculation with other peoples money/stocks. Had the regulation been there and been used, then the crisis would never have gotten as bad as it did.
    You mean like these guys were calling for, while people with, shall we say your outlook were making excuses?



    The very fact that Wall Street sold crap with AAA ratings shows how out of touch and greedy they had (and still have) become.
    Not saying that the banks didn't take it too far, but starting out, they were just trying to mitigate the risk involved with being forced to take on people that couldn't afford the mortgages they were mandated to underwrite, with no income verification, or down payments....

    Now instead they, with their loyal right wing backers, blame the left, communism, terrorists and everything in between and refuse to be accountable for their own failings.
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    Re: Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Both presidents were crap. Both numbers should be crap.

    Nothing more to see here.
    will the new punchline be: It's Obama's fault.......It's Bush and Obama's fault..........or It is dumb and ****ing stupid's fault

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