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    Re: Merkel compared NSA to Stasi in heated encounter with Obama

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    Merkel compared NSA to Stasi in heated encounter with Obama

    German chancellor furious after revelations US intelligence agency listened in on her personal mobile phone

    Merkel compared NSA to Stasi in heated encounter with Obama | World news | The Guardian

    In an angry exchange with Barack Obama, Angela Merkel has compared the snooping practices of the US with those of the Stasi, the ubiquitous and all-powerful secret police of the communist dictatorship in East Germany, where she grew up. The German chancellor also told the US president that America's National Security Agency cannot be trusted because of the volume of material it had allowed to leak to the whistleblower Edward Snowden, according to the New York Times.

    Livid after learning from Der Spiegel magazine that the Americans were listening in to her personal mobile phone, Merkel confronted Obama with the accusation: "This is like the Stasi."
    I'm a libertarian - however, I don't understand why the Germans (or anyone) thought the US wasn't spying on them..

    I damn well know the government has a file on me - they probably record ever keystroke I make, to assume they don't would be naive considering they have the resources...

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    Re: Merkel compared NSA to Stasi in heated encounter with Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, I would prefer to doubt none of that would be true, I was trying to be a wee bit cheeky with that. However, things start somewhere, and as the outspoken SCOTUS judge said during Bush's administration, concerning illegal (warrantless wiretapping) these are the sort of things that can cause a country to degenerate into dictatorship, and we should avoid that end, by avoiding this beginning. As to Merkel's comments to Obama, first of all, she was probably pissed. Could she have compared the NSA to an aspect of Stasi, without taking that comparison to its end? Even a former Stasi agent has stated they would have loved to have had the NSA's capabilities. It blew his mind.
    Honestly...

    I dont see the point of our exchange. We obviously both agree that limits have to be put on the NSA and that an investigation into their doings is required.

    So why debate the "concept Stasi"?

    We agree to agree?

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    Re: Merkel compared NSA to Stasi in heated encounter with Obama

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    Merkel makes some great points. Obama's NSA is making a real mess of the constitution. The Snowden investigations are going to really sting, and can't help the presidents approval numbers.
    The NSA isn't the governments only weapon.

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    Re: Merkel compared NSA to Stasi in heated encounter with Obama

    Good for Merkel.


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    Re: Merkel compared NSA to Stasi in heated encounter with Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Merkel makes some great points. Obama's NSA is making a real mess of the constitution. The Snowden investigations are going to really sting, and can't help the presidents approval numbers.
    The sad fact is that the trend will continue after Obama because the bureaucracy will not change and the policies will remain intact. The Left feels that's not to bad if it's the Right who is being attacked but that could change with a far right president and they will be the victims.

    Now that the middle class is being effected they will want their old America back but it is likely too late.

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    Re: Merkel compared NSA to Stasi in heated encounter with Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm a libertarian - however, I don't understand why the Germans (or anyone) thought the US wasn't spying on them..

    I damn well know the government has a file on me - they probably record ever keystroke I make, to assume they don't would be naive considering they have the resources...
    Can you imagine any of the foreign leaders that have expressed their anger over this being able to just say, well yeah, of course the US is listening to all of our phone calls?

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    Re: Merkel compared NSA to Stasi in heated encounter with Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Honestly...

    I dont see the point of our exchange. We obviously both agree that limits have to be put on the NSA and that an investigation into their doings is required.

    So why debate the "concept Stasi"?

    We agree to agree?
    And there you have it.

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    Re: Merkel compared NSA to Stasi in heated encounter with Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Merkel compared NSA to Stasi in heated encounter with Obama

    German chancellor furious after revelations US intelligence agency listened in on her personal mobile phone

    Merkel compared NSA to Stasi in heated encounter with Obama | World news | The Guardian

    In an angry exchange with Barack Obama, Angela Merkel has compared the snooping practices of the US with those of the Stasi, the ubiquitous and all-powerful secret police of the communist dictatorship in East Germany, where she grew up. The German chancellor also told the US president that America's National Security Agency cannot be trusted because of the volume of material it had allowed to leak to the whistleblower Edward Snowden, according to the New York Times.

    Livid after learning from Der Spiegel magazine that the Americans were listening in to her personal mobile phone, Merkel confronted Obama with the accusation: "This is like the Stasi."
    Good for her - America could use a woman of principle and integrity like Angela Merkel - actually, we all could.
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    Re: Merkel compared NSA to Stasi in heated encounter with Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The sad fact is that the trend will continue after Obama because the bureaucracy will not change and the policies will remain intact. The Left feels that's not to bad if it's the Right who is being attacked but that could change with a far right president and they will be the victims.

    Now that the middle class is being effected they will want their old America back but it is likely too late.
    I agree on your first point completely. They started before and will continue after, unless there really comes enough pressure. And it is growing. As to your second point, I would only hope you are incorrect.

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    Re: Merkel compared NSA to Stasi in heated encounter with Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Merkel sure is good at blowing a lot of hot air. If she wanted to put her money where her mouth was she would offer Snowden asylum.
    Unlike President Obama, Merkel doesn't believe she's a Queen with the ability to ignore the laws of her country or only to enforce those she agrees with.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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