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Six Soldiers Dead in Afghanistan After Helicopter Crash

The Pentagon urgently investigated whether six American troops killed in Afghanistan on Tuesday may have died from enemy fire after their helicopter crashed, rather than from the crash itself, two senior U.S. officials said.

"We do not know how those killed were killed," one of the officials told CNN. "It's unclear if it was the crash or contact with the enemy after the helo came down."

[Pentagon probes whether U.S. troops killed by enemy fire - CNN.com
 
...and for what? To protect the CIAs cash crop of poppies? To give Blackwater another few billion?

Tragic.
I dunno. There really isn't any good reason to stay there for another 10 years.
There wasn't really a good reason to escalate like Obama did, or the counter-insurgency strategy Bush tried,
and starved troops for another war in Iraq. It's a tragedy for all the dead and wounded, but it's one of our own making.

Afganistan "Graveyard of the Empires",,,,the writing was on the wall.
 
I dunno. There really isn't any good reason to stay there for another 10 years.
There wasn't really a good reason to escalate like Obama did, or the counter-insurgency strategy Bush tried,
and starved troops for another war in Iraq. It's a tragedy for all the dead and wounded, but it's one of our own making.

Afganistan "Graveyard of the Empires",,,,the writing was on the wall.

Bush and Obama. What a dynamic duo. Makes you wonder if the same puppetmaster pulled their strings.

The decisions to extend the war for a decade or more was not the will of the people. It was the will of the Owners and the MIC.

Bush's initial reaction in Afghanistan was correct and well handled. But the decision to start another war with Iraq and to turn Afghanistan into a bottomless pit was that of the Masters, not the rest of us.
 
Bush and Obama. What a dynamic duo. Makes you wonder if the same puppetmaster pulled their strings.

The decisions to extend the war for a decade or more was not the will of the people. It was the will of the Owners and the MIC.

Bush's initial reaction in Afghanistan was correct and well handled. But the decision to start another war with Iraq and to turn Afghanistan into a bottomless pit was that of the Masters, not the rest of us.

I don't think any of the wars were worth the prosecution.\

Petraeus, you’ll remember, wanted to dramatically expand America’s counterinsurgency campaign in Afghanistan. He didn’t just want 40,000 more troops. In conjunction with Hillary Clinton, he also wanted a vast “civilian surge,” swarms of American agricultural experts, engineers, and diplomats who would fan out into the Afghan countryside and do the hard work of nation building on which the Bush administration had skimped.

Biden pushed back hard. Nation building in a country as destitute and decentralized as Afghanistan, he argued, was hopeless. Besides, the Taliban didn’t threaten America; al Qaeda did. And America could handle al Qaeda with a small number of Special Operations troops on the ground supporting an aggressive, drone-dominated campaign from the air. Biden called it “counterterrorism plus.”

Initially, Obama split the difference, sending more troops to Afghanistan than Biden wanted but fewer than Petraeus had urged and setting a deadline to begin removing them within a year.
https://www.google.com/#q=bush+counterterrorism+policy+afganistan

It looks to me, (and I am not an expert on the policies), that Obama sorta escalated, but if you recall, also set a withdrawl date.

Anyways...the best thing that could happen now, is if Karzai refused to sign the State of Forces Agreement (SOFA)
negotiated by Kerry, and approved by the lloya jirga

Time for us to leave, there isn't anything to gain, but a so called 'stabilization' of Afg.
Knowing the history, seeing the eternal commitment with bases (etc.) It's not worth another dead American/ISAF death.

The idea was to degrade al_Qaeda, not build up a stable Afganistan. It's on the other side of the world, just get out of there. Now.
 
I don't think any of the wars were worth the prosecution.
idea was to degrade al_Qaeda, not build up a stable Afganistan. It's on the other side of the world, just get out of there. Now.

After 9/11, Afghanistan decided to protect OBL. They told us to **** off.

Instead, we armed the opposing forces, provided them with air support and kicked the AQ leaders out to replace them with the dubious lot we have now. We couldn't just do nothing after this horrific attack. But Bush handled this correctly. Minimum force, minimum risk to Americans and revenge taken. That was his job - and he did it well.

Then he colluded with his buddies and embroiled us in an unwinnable war where his profiteer friends made billions more. This was wrong - and he failed us.

But I give credit when credit is due.
 
Is there anyone who truly believes another 5 years of our troops there is going to end positive?

I doubt it. What are we accomplishing here?

Nothing.
 
...and for what? To protect the CIAs cash crop of poppies? To give Blackwater another few billion?

Tragic.

You could have waited a while before you pissed on these men.
 
You could have waited a while before you pissed on these men.

What on earth are you talking about? Do you not understand the word TRAGIC? I pissed on those who profited from their sacrifice, not the fallen.

Please read my posts more carefully before you make disturbing accusations.
 
After 9/11, Afghanistan decided to protect OBL. They told us to **** off.

Instead, we armed the opposing forces, provided them with air support and kicked the AQ leaders out to replace them with the dubious lot we have now. We couldn't just do nothing after this horrific attack. But Bush handled this correctly. Minimum force, minimum risk to Americans and revenge taken. That was his job - and he did it well.

Then he colluded with his buddies and embroiled us in an unwinnable war where his profiteer friends made billions more. This was wrong - and he failed us.

But I give credit when credit is due.
+ for the record+ (best single source I can find on background)
Afghanistan: The Death of a Strategy | Center for Strategic and International Studies

I'm just less interested in looking back at this point, I want out. I wanted out yesterday,
I wanted to hit the AQ training camps, and not install Karzai.

The whole thing has been a fiasco. Just pull the damn plug on it, and let it go back to it's feudal ways.
 
+ for the record+ (best single source I can find on background)
Afghanistan: The Death of a Strategy | Center for Strategic and International Studies

I'm just less interested in looking back at this point, I want out. I wanted out yesterday,
I wanted to hit the AQ training camps, and not install Karzai.

The whole thing has been a fiasco. Just pull the damn plug on it, and let it go back to it's feudal ways.

I wasn't really kidding when I said they are protecting the heroin crops. I wasn't kidding when I implied that money is being made by war profiteers.

We will never leave. Not while any politician can be bought - from a Junior Congressperson to the POTUS. Not while the CIA and its related agencies can bring in billions in narcotics.

We'll stay here even if Obama has to give Karzai a BBBJ.

It's all about the Benjamins.
 
...and for what? To protect the CIAs cash crop of poppies? To give Blackwater another few billion?

Tragic.

No so Obama could check the box of a campaign promise. I went to a town hall meeting with our congressman and told him I would not vote for him again but would wait for a real Democrat. He could care less, since I was not a hedge fund manager that could throw millions is way.
 
Very Sad News - and the last thing any one wants to here on the run up to Christmas :(
 
After 9/11, Afghanistan decided to protect OBL. They told us to **** off.

Instead, we armed the opposing forces, provided them with air support and kicked the AQ leaders out to replace them with the dubious lot we have now. We couldn't just do nothing after this horrific attack. But Bush handled this correctly. Minimum force, minimum risk to Americans and revenge taken. That was his job - and he did it well.

Then he colluded with his buddies and embroiled us in an unwinnable war where his profiteer friends made billions more. This was wrong - and he failed us.

But I give credit when credit is due.

Actually, the Taliban was willing to cooperate. They just wanted evidence that we refused to give them.
 
Bush and Obama. What a dynamic duo. Makes you wonder if the same puppetmaster pulled their strings.

The decisions to extend the war for a decade or more was not the will of the people. It was the will of the Owners and the MIC.

Bush's initial reaction in Afghanistan was correct and well handled. But the decision to start another war with Iraq and to turn Afghanistan into a bottomless pit was that of the Masters, not the rest of us.

I suspect they do have the same puppet masters.

Bush's initial reaction in Afghanistan was correct ONLY IF the official version of what happened on 11 September is true and accurate, and 12 years later it's pretty obvious it's not.

If Bush had agreed straight up to investigate those events, he might have a leg to stand on. Because he refused to investigate those events, he does not have a leg to stand on.
 
Actually, the Taliban was willing to cooperate. They just wanted evidence that we refused to give them.

I suspect they do have the same puppet masters.

Bush's initial reaction in Afghanistan was correct ONLY IF the official version of what happened on 11 September is true and accurate, and 12 years later it's pretty obvious it's not.

If Bush had agreed straight up to investigate those events, he might have a leg to stand on. Because he refused to investigate those events, he does not have a leg to stand on.

I don't know any more about the events of 9/11 than anyone who can read. There is some reason to believe this was a successful attack because our Federal Guardians dropped the ball. As for OBL's involvement, I tend to assume that was true and thus our support of the overthrow of the Taliban seemed logical at the time.

I know here are many conspiracy theories about these events but I don't have any reason to presume they are accurate. Of course, I'm just a civilian. But at least on paper, I thought Bush made the right decision - initially.
 
Soldiers killed after helicopter crashes in Zabul in Afghanistan, the biggest loss of life of Nato troops since June.
The incident was the single biggest loss of life for the Nato mission in Afghanistan since seven Georgian soldiers died when a suicide bomber blew up a truck loaded with explosives outside a base in Helmand province in June
Six Nato soldiers killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash - Telegraph

while a terrible toll, this isn't the first time for US chopper crashes, or multiple US/ISAF deaths.
 
I suspect they do have the same puppet masters.

Bush's initial reaction in Afghanistan was correct ONLY IF the official version of what happened on 11 September is true and accurate, and 12 years later it's pretty obvious it's not.

If Bush had agreed straight up to investigate those events, he might have a leg to stand on. Because he refused to investigate those events, he does not have a leg to stand on.

Yep, it's all the fault of George Bush.
 
Yep, it's all the fault of George Bush.

No, Dubya was only a sock puppet, just as his successor is. It's the fault of whatever group of men planned it and executed it.
 
No, Dubya was only a sock puppet, just as his successor is. It's the fault of whatever group of men planned it and executed it.

Yes, yes, sock puppets all.

But what about those who actually killed these men? Any responsibility there?
 
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