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    Re: WaPo: Waiting for the 8th

    My take away is that there is a segment of our population that is living in a horrible cycle of dependence. Neither they nor the rest of us know how to fix it. It would seem that the hope of the Great Society failed.

    Another take away is that the debate about a few more or less dollars is a distraction from the real issue, which is how to fix this problem. Neither left or roght has the answer, so they go to the thing they do best, demagogue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I see a bunch of ways to manage your money better.

    I can't speak about jobs. I don't have one and I haven't looked for one in the last 50 years or so. So, maybe there are no jobs? After all:


    But the attitude is questionable.

    I'm not "anti-poor" but sometimes people work hard at failing.
    You forgot whats actually the biggest expenditure.

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    Re: WaPo: Waiting for the 8th

    Here are some facts about SNAP...

    1) For every job opening that exists, there are 3 people looking for jobs. 2 of them just aren't going to get that job, no matter how hard they try. Not in this economy. So the solution is to punish them by starving their kids? What kind of savages are we? But even savages in third world countries try their best to feed their own. So that would make us even worse than savages.

    2) More than 40% of people on food stamps are employed full time. Want to blame somebody? Blame McDonald's, who pays starvation wages, while instructing their employees on how to get food stamps. Welfare loafer? McDonald's, since they are doing their best to put as many of their own employees as possible on the public dole on MY DIME, instead of paying a livable wage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    My take away is that there is a segment of our population that is living in a horrible cycle of dependence. Neither they nor the rest of us know how to fix it. It would seem that the hope of the Great Society failed.

    Another take away is that the debate about a few more or less dollars is a distraction from the real issue, which is how to fix this problem. Neither left or roght has the answer, so they go to the thing they do best, demagogue.
    That was one of the main impressions I took from it as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    You forgot whats actually the biggest expenditure.



    Frankly, I quit a year ago. Partially for health but mainly because the price is just unaffordable. They average $8 a pack in the DC area and your average smoker has a pack a day habit.
    I had trouble empathizing with her as soon as I realized she smoked. I spent the majority of the article thinking "Cigarettes cost about 7 bucks, the average smoker smokes a pack a day, 7 bucks could feed a family a spaghetti dinner."
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    Re: WaPo: Waiting for the 8th

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here are some facts about SNAP...

    1) For every job opening that exists, there are 3 people looking for jobs. 2 of them just aren't going to get that job, no matter how hard they try. Not in this economy. So the solution is to punish them by starving their kids? What kind of savages are we? But even savages in third world countries try their best to feed their own. So that would make us even worse than savages.
    How many aren't looking for a job?

    2) More than 40% of people on food stamps are employed full time. Want to blame somebody? Blame McDonald's, who pays starvation wages, while instructing their employees on how to get food stamps. Welfare loafer? McDonald's, since they are doing their best to put as many of their own employees as possible on the public dole on MY DIME, instead of paying a livable wage.
    Those people weren't in this article. In fact, it didn't seem that anyone in this article was employed at all...ever.
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    Re: WaPo: Waiting for the 8th

    For the mother...there's no hope. She's stuck in her cycle of dependence.

    For the daughter...yes, she should take that course, then she should move. Get away from Mom. The lady will only drag her down. But she should NOT move to a city. She should move to a small town, work her ass off, get to know people...make a meaningful life for herself.

    For the 17 year old son...hang in there. Graduate high school. Then follow the example of his sister and get away from Mom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I'd rather not at this point, don't want to poison the well. I thought this was a fairly well written expose on the life of a welfare family and want to hear what various people take from the article. You seem focused on the bad decisions that put her there, and I understand that.
    I'm pretty much buying into what Annata and Specklebang posted. Speck's really made my stomach turn.
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    Re: WaPo: Waiting for the 8th

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here are some facts about SNAP...

    1) For every job opening that exists, there are 3 people looking for jobs. 2 of them just aren't going to get that job, no matter how hard they try. Not in this economy. So the solution is to punish them by starving their kids? What kind of savages are we? But even savages in third world countries try their best to feed their own. So that would make us even worse than savages.

    2) More than 40% of people on food stamps are employed full time. Want to blame somebody? Blame McDonald's, who pays starvation wages, while instructing their employees on how to get food stamps. Welfare loafer? McDonald's, since they are doing their best to put as many of their own employees as possible on the public dole on MY DIME, instead of paying a livable wage.

    Do you have sources for the bold?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: WaPo: Waiting for the 8th

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    How many aren't looking for a job?



    Those people weren't in this article. In fact, it didn't seem that anyone in this article was employed at all...ever.
    How many aren't looking for a job? That's another FOX News lie. To be on SNAP, you are required to spend at least 20 hours a week looking for work, and must document your work search. If you cannot show by documentation that you have spent at least 20 hours in a week looking for work, you are immediately cut off of SNAP. This requirement was written into the Farm Bill itself. This is a Federal requirement. Some states have even tougher requirements. Texas, for instance, requires 30 hours per week of job search activities, which also must be documented. I have had people come in the door where I work, asking if they could apply for a job, and they had their paperwork for SNAP with them. But ignorant people have no problem saying that these people spend all day watching TV instead of looking for work.

    As for your second point, it seems the writer was very selective on who he interviewed. Bias? You betcha. It is hack journalism that keeps people ignorant to how it really is, and just plays on emotion, especially hatred, instead of facts. Their attitude is usually "We gotta punish these shiftless people who choose to work at low paying jobs, so let's starve their kids. That'll teach 'em". Disgusting savagery from disgusting savages.
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